#1: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:05 pm ---- Hi, why would supplier ship 2 wishbones with front mounts housing slightly different? We are hesitating whether to fit them or return them instead..
We asked for second pair, and they sent exactly same differing ones. Both bushes, stiffness is the same, but pressed housing looks odd:
(part no for N/S arm: 422PC0370 O/S: 422PC0380 , feel free to google it around)
Cheers,
#2: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:13 pm ---- Are they meant to be new?
Stole this picture from Edwards thread. These look new. For gti but check the bushes
#3: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:06 pm ---- Yes, brand new. Just touched up by mechanic's hands. The other pair is in plastoc wrapping still, scratchless
The difference is in the outer metal housing. One is rounded ring, thr otheris edgy.
Your photo looks identical bushes
Im going for cheap wishbones this time, because first need to convince myself why n/s rear bush rubber is getting ripped in two months. Might be bent subframe. Will create another thread on that, pix heavy.
We are putting these arms on now. Test drive tomorrow
#4: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:19 am ---- THose wishbones of mine aren't standard. They are Peugeot Sport parts which have two metal bushes instead of one metal and one rubber thats fitted to Sports range cars as standard.
Normally you car spot the rubber and metal bushes by the shape of the metal part.
#5: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:29 am ---- Are you fitting new wishbones again Sledge?
#6: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:52 am ----
#7: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:15 am ---- www.206info.co.uk/Foru...rt=75.html
V9977 wrote:
sledge wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
What wishbones have you been fitting?
Genuine Peugeot parts OR w**ky aftermarket crap from a factor?
Quoting Peugeot mechanic Dave: "The pattern parts are in pristine condition"
The reason I left R&D for last is that I haven't got a pocket full of money
Same reason I am reluctant to leave the car for them to change lower arms, as it will cost me another arm (pardon the pun) and the leg.
I'd rather bring it back to the garage, whiplash them for entrusting their supplier's choice of providing two ordered wishbones, one with ball joints the other with bushes.. and have them replacing this time with twin identical wishbones free of charge (if it fixes the problem that is). and then bring the car to 2wheel (better 4wheel) tracking afterwards by myself -- should be way cheaper yet enough reliable to eliminate risk
What Mr.BSI is saying is that genuine parts (esp. things like wishbones) can end-up saving loads of money in the end because:
1) They do the job properly whereas often aftermarket parts don't.
2) They last a lot longer and protect the rest of the vehicle's parts from stress.
3) You pay less for labour time which has to be done again and again trying to solve issues like this.
I also think this because I have found-out the hard way, paying arms legs and everything in between (the legs) on various french cars over the years.
#8: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:25 am ---- If subframe's bent, it will destroy even genuine wishbones in no time as well; please understand my systematic approach here
October 2012 - subframe replaced (due to snapped irreparable gearlink) -- subframe of (now) questionable origin
January 2013 - MOT fail due to a tear in N/S wishbone bush (wishbones were original, since I bought the car, and they might have held the wheels just fine since years)
May 2013 - fitted new wishbones (due to past pulling to the left due to wishbones not being identical)
July 2013 - another tear in rubber bush of N/S of two month young wishbones
#9: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:56 am ----
sledge wrote:
If subframe's bent, it will destroy even genuine wishbones in no time as well; please understand my systematic approach here
July 2013 - another tear in rubber bush of N/S of two month young wishbones
Says who?
#10: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:16 am ----
V9977 wrote:
sledge wrote:
If subframe's bent, it will destroy even genuine wishbones in no time as well; please understand my systematic approach here
July 2013 - another tear in rubber bush of N/S of two month young wishbones
Says who?
E.g. a chap here
Also a long-hauled mechanic I met last weekend at FCS (nick on here "theoldman", sadly inactive on forums); besides I googled similar cases mentioning bent subframe being their rootcause.
My mechanic says he's never seen N/S bush to tear up so fast (O/S bush is intact btw)
The tear appeared 3-4 weeks ago (along with the symptoms). Last edited by Sim on Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:11 am; edited 4 times in total
#11: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:24 am ---- Did you get the last two wishbones from the same source and did you take the first one back and complain? They could just be poor quality rubber.
It shouldn't matter of the wishbones aren't identical, unless you have one standard and one sport arm ... the main mounting bushes are different. Another option would be to fit poly bushes to two new arms and avoid the soft rubber completely.
I had to send back two upper wishbones from my Alfa last month as the bushes wore out in less than a year ... got a refund. And they were a well know brand (Delphi).
#12: Re: bit differing wishbones from supplier Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:46 am ---- My local garage gets those wishbones. I will tell them to complain. Even though they are not high end (~30£ each), labelled V-Tec (or VTech can't remember), so hard to expect to win much in this case
The new ones are from the same source yes, will see how they'll wear. Will do tape measurings on subframe too
Did test drive today, feels just fine with those bit different bushes. Alignment is surely off, booked 4-wheel one on Thursday morning, and hope for spot-on driving/handling/throttling/cornering thereafter (touch wood it will last longer than two months)
Poly bushes (£50 for a pair! ) is my next step, but first I want to take subframe out of the picture. Is it ok if I press them into cheap lowerarms (e.g. the old ones I have in my boot now from the local garage) ? Amazing how they don't have any metal housings, so all I'll have to do is press out old bushes and lip them in!
UPDATE 1/8/2013: Ok we can close this thread, seems that bit difference in bushes does not go wrong at all
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