#1: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:32 pm ---- So, my Pug 1.1L had its MOT (Irish NCT) today. Since I bought the car REALLY cheap, I knew there was going to be a few hundred quids worth of problems. Here's its fail list:
Steering Rack Gaiter (Insecure)
Airbags (Think it's the COMM2000 Unit!)
Dip and Beam Light Alignment
The light problem is very minor. They all work fine, but the passenger sides alignment is off.
The Steering Rack Gaiter came back as insecure. I think this is on the passenger side of the car behind the wheel, where I see the rubber seems to have been torn and as a result oil is leaking from there. Does this cound right?
The Airbags. I know my COMM2000 Unit needs replacing, because the indicators do not work properly and go off after a few second on their own, and also the lights come on randomly. If I'm right, the airbag wiring is interlinked to the COMM2000 Unit. But strangely, as far as I am aware, there is supposed to be wiring under the seats with connectors for the airbags, but there is none! There are holes under the seats for the wiring, and I can feel a thick wire in the hole, but there's nothing else! So I have no idea what's going on there... any advice?
Surprisingly, everything else on the car passed with flying colours, and the report I got back had emissions, axles etc all well within the fail rate range.
I have contacted a Main Peugeot Dealer and am off to see them on Tuesday morning to sort all of this out. I'm expecting a hefty bill of probably about €400-500.
#2: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:33 pm ---- Oh god don't go dealer for a comms unit.
#3: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:36 pm ----
Jack123 wrote:
Oh god don't go dealer for a comms unit.
I was thinking that myself, but they will be able to tell me for sure that is all thts wrong. Also, I need the wiring for the airbags under my seats. They said it could be the case that it is only the wiring under the seats that has caused this to happen, in which case would cost me €55/£45.
#4: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:57 pm ---- Get the stealers to diagnose but don't go for the part! Unless its a harness repair. As a comms unit is about £250 new
#5: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:01 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
Get the stealers to diagnose but don't go for the part! Unless its a harness repair. As a comms unit is about £250 new
Yeah, that's the plan anyway. I'm hoping it's just the fact that there's no wiring under the seat?
#6: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:39 pm ---- Do you have airbags in the side of the seats? If not, then you have no need for the wiring, there will be a small black panel on the side of the seat facing the actual seatbelt.
#7: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm ----
Jack123 wrote:
Do you have airbags in the side of the seats? If not, then you have no need for the wiring, there will be a small black panel on the side of the seat facing the actual seatbelt.
I'm not sure to be honest. There is a small black panel (see pic below), is this an airbag???
This is the thing. When I turn the airbag pass switch to off (see switch below), and turn the engine on, the airbag LED on the dash stays on and obviously wont go off. When I turn it back on, the first time I start the engine, the Airbag LED comes on and after about 3 seconds it goes off, which I imagine is normal, and then it wont come on again after subsequent restarts. Any ideas?
#8: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:17 pm ----
JayH04 wrote:
Jack123 wrote:
Do you have airbags in the side of the seats? If not, then you have no need for the wiring, there will be a small black panel on the side of the seat facing the actual seatbelt.
I'm not sure to be honest. There is a small black panel (see pic below), is this an airbag???
This is the thing. When I turn the airbag pass switch to off (see switch below), and turn the engine on, the airbag LED on the dash stays on and obviously wont go off. When I turn it back on, the first time I start the engine, the Airbag LED comes on and after about 3 seconds it goes off, which I imagine is normal, and then it wont come on again after subsequent restarts. Any ideas?
All that switch does is disable the front passenger airbag, no others, the airbag LED coming on and off with the switch as you described is perfectly normal.
See the image below:
If your seats have them on the side (Side facing the door!!) Then you need to airbag wiring under the sear. Have you ever changed the seats before? Because if would be very stranger for them to come as standard and for the wiring to vanish.
#9: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:27 pm ----
Jack123 wrote:
All that switch does is disable the front passenger airbag, no others, the airbag LED coming on and off with the switch as you described is perfectly normal.
See the image below:
If your seats have them on the side (Side facing the door!!) Then you need to airbag wiring under the sear. Have you ever changed the seats before? Because if would be very stranger for them to come as standard and for the wiring to vanish.
This is where I am becoming suspicious. My seats do not have them side panels. The person who owned the car last done me! I discovered last week that the car had a fake MOT. Went to the police and theyre chasing the last owner down. I reckon the last owner put the car in for MOT, realised that it failed on airbags, and removed the airbag wiring so when selling the car, no warning would show on the dash. I think that the removed wiring is the problem.
Anyway, I've found an independent dealer who specialises in French cars. So I'll take it to Peugeot, see what they say, and then take it to the independent mechanic and see what he says.
#10: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:46 pm ---- If your seats do not have them panels then you have no need for the wiring under the seats and the wiring would of never been there, if you are getting an airbag error, the issue is elsewhere.
#11: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:28 pm ----
Jack123 wrote:
If your seats do not have them panels then you have no need for the wiring under the seats and the wiring would of never been there, if you are getting an airbag error, the issue is elsewhere.
Oh right, sorry about that Jack123 I misunderstood. Hmm, then what could be at fault? I'm a bit stumped by this one then, because Services in the Peugeot garage said it is more than likely wiring under the seating and it would be a relatively easy fix :/
#12: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:01 pm ---- As far as I know, if you don't have the side airbags in the seats, then there is no wiring in the area which has anything to do with the airbag system.
What kind of error are you getting? Warning light on the dash, Message on the MFD? Best bet would be to plug in to a diagnostics machine.
I'm assuming you just have driver and passenger Airbags, IF the comms unit is faulty, that could be the cause there, but as I said, best get the error codes read.
#13: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:39 pm ----
Jack123 wrote:
As far as I know, if you don't have the side airbags in the seats, then there is no wiring in the area which has anything to do with the airbag system.
What kind of error are you getting? Warning light on the dash, Message on the MFD? Best bet would be to plug in to a diagnostics machine.
I'm assuming you just have driver and passenger Airbags, IF the comms unit is faulty, that could be the cause there, but as I said, best get the error codes read.
This is it, not getting any errors at all! The airbag light just does not come on when I start the engine and then go off after a few seconds. Its as if the airbags don't exist. But the light does work because, as I said earlier, I used to switch on/off to test it. Yeah, I must just have the driver and passenger airbags.
Thanks for all your help though. Wrecking my brain with it. Well I know the comm unit is gone almost for certain - its doing the faulty lights and indicator thing it does. Maybe replacing this will fix it. I will update when I've heard from Peugeot and the independent dealer!
#14: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:17 am ----
JayH04 wrote:
Jack123 wrote:
As far as I know, if you don't have the side airbags in the seats, then there is no wiring in the area which has anything to do with the airbag system.
What kind of error are you getting? Warning light on the dash, Message on the MFD? Best bet would be to plug in to a diagnostics machine.
I'm assuming you just have driver and passenger Airbags, IF the comms unit is faulty, that could be the cause there, but as I said, best get the error codes read.
This is it, not getting any errors at all! The airbag light just does not come on when I start the engine and then go off after a few seconds. Its as if the airbags don't exist. But the light does work because, as I said earlier, I used to switch on/off to test it. Yeah, I must just have the driver and passenger airbags.
Thanks for all your help though. Wrecking my brain with it. Well I know the comm unit is gone almost for certain - its doing the faulty lights and indicator thing it does. Maybe replacing this will fix it. I will update when I've heard from Peugeot and the independent dealer!
Uh.... I'm not 100% sure if the light should come on when you start the engine, pretty sure mine doesn't.
The light should only come on when there is an issue with the airbags, or as you said, you have disabled the passenger one..
What makes you think it has a fault? Did it used to come on before? Or?
#15: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:25 am ---- Take the bulb out (or put tape over if it's a SMD) for the MOT, then fix the fault after.
#16: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:42 am ---- It has a fault because it came back faulty on the MOT sheet, hence the car failed.
The light doesnt come on at all, it only comes on if I disable the passenger airbags. So I honestly dont know whats going on.. the only thing I can think of is that they notice there is absolutely no wiring under the seats, but the hole is in the floor for it.
Strange one!
#17: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Lowiee, Location: milton keynesPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:39 am ---- i know it sounds obvious but if the car has had fake mot and you have other issues with light alignment damaged gaitors it could simply be its had a crash airbags deployed /removed pre tension belts
as far as airbag light the yellow one should come on and go out when the key starts the car anything else is a fault and fail on an mot these days
as for side airbags are you sure the seats are original
#18: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:42 am ----
JayH04 wrote:
The light doesnt come on at all, it only comes on if I disable the passenger airbags
There should be 2 x airbag lights on a multiplexed 206.
1 light for driver airbag + seatbelt pretenionsers, this light is also for side & curtain airbags if fitted.
A 2nd light just for the passenger dash airbag.
Multiplexed 206 also uses led for the cluster warning lights, I get the feeling someone been bodging in the past.
#19: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:14 pm ---- You can easily check all the dash lights using PP2000. One of the tests turn them all on at once.
#20: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:43 pm ---- In the original post he said it came on if disabled, and also on the start up after re-enabling it, but only on the first start. The bulb must be working?
I doubt a 1.1 would have side airbags. Someone needs to put the VIN in servicebox and check.
EDIT. Re-read that, he said it used to work but not anymore, could the bulb just be knackered?
#21: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:59 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
In the original post he said it came on if disabled, and also on the start up after re-enabling it, but only on the first start. The bulb must be working?
I doubt a 1.1 would have side airbags. Someone needs to put the VIN in servicebox and check.
EDIT. Re-read that, he said it used to work but not anymore, could the bulb just be knackered?
In the sig it says 2003 model, so as MrBSI says, it will have SMDs rather than bulbs. I suppose it could be a case of the SMD giving up, it could be a first as I've not heard of that fault before.
#22: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:27 pm ---- Whatever is going on, I am going to a Peugeot dealer tomorrow for advice and diagnostics, and then to an independent who specialises in Peugeots. So I will probably know the situation tomorrow.
Quote::
i know it sounds obvious but if the car has had fake mot and you have other issues with light alignment damaged gaitors it could simply be its had a crash airbags deployed /removed pre tension belts
as far as airbag light the yellow one should come on and go out when the key starts the car anything else is a fault and fail on an mot these days
as for side airbags are you sure the seats are original
This sounds likely to be tbh. I was already thinking this might of happened!
Quote::
There should be 2 x airbag lights on a multiplexed 206.
1 light for driver airbag + seatbelt pretenionsers, this light is also for side & curtain airbags if fitted.
A 2nd light just for the passenger dash airbag.
Multiplexed 206 also uses led for the cluster warning lights, I get the feeling someone been bodging in the past.
I have only ever, since I've owned it, seen the passenger airbag light on, and this is because I disabled it and it came on. After enabling it again, the first time I started the engine it came back on and went off as it should afaik. Ever since that it doesnt appear again. I've never seen any other airbag light on the dash :/
I cant really give you guys any more information about it because thats all I know. Will update here tomorrow afternoon when I've got all the details of what's going on! Thanks for all your suggestions
#23: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:45 pm ---- Any beeping when you start the car?
#24: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:47 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Any beeping when you start the car?
Hi MrBSI,
It beeps ones as I start it when it is calculating the milage, and then beeps again when it has finished calculating. Thats it though.
Again, I have never seen the Airbag light on in the car. I still think wiring has been removed!
#25: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:49 pm ---- It shouldnt beep at all.
I reckon you have single line multifunction display.
Sounds like someone's been bodging.
#26: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:01 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
It shouldnt beep at all.
I reckon you have single line multifunction display.
Sounds like someone's been bodging.
Hmm, I didnt know that, I thought it was supposed to beep!
I'm a odds with this bloody problem. I'm hoping it's simple, but it doesnt seem it. I don't know whether it is worth going to the Peugeot dealer first, or the independent mechanic who specialises in Pugs. Any advice?
#27: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:04 pm ---- Scan it with Peugeot Planet.
If your lucky it will be just a airbag fault, if your unlucky it will come back crash data stored.
If you had the larger 3 line mfd fitted I reckon it would display AIRBAG FAULT
#28: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:10 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Scan it with Peugeot Planet.
If your lucky it will be just a airbag fault, if your unlucky it will come back crash data stored.
If you had the larger 3 line mfd fitted I reckon it would display AIRBAG FAULT
Unfortunately, I don't have Peugeot Planet or any of the cables for it. Might have to just wait and see tomorrow?
#29: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: Jack123, Location: Earl Shilton UKPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:28 pm ----
JayH04 wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Scan it with Peugeot Planet.
If your lucky it will be just a airbag fault, if your unlucky it will come back crash data stored.
If you had the larger 3 line mfd fitted I reckon it would display AIRBAG FAULT
Unfortunately, I don't have Peugeot Planet or any of the cables for it. Might have to just wait and see tomorrow?
First port of call should be to go somewhere who has the Peugeot Planet software and leads to get the codes read get a print out and from there you can better decide what the next move is, Will probably be cheaper going to the independent pug specialist to get them read, any "Specialist" should have the software and leads.
And the car would only beep if something is up with it.
#30: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:39 pm ----
Jack123 wrote:
First port of call should be to go somewhere who has the Peugeot Planet software and leads to get the codes read get a print out and from there you can better decide what the next move is, Will probably be cheaper going to the independent pug specialist to get them read, any "Specialist" should have the software and leads.
And the car would only beep if something is up with it.
Right, well I personally dont know anyone with the software/cables, so I'll go the independent and see what he can do. He's apparently brilliant with 206s so we'll see how it goes. May be the case that I do not need to go to Peugeot. I'll update tomorrow, cheers guys!
#31: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:42 pm ---- Go to Peugeot and ask them to scan it with PP. Then bring it away and report back what has been found using the dealer software.
#32: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:05 am ---- If you do play around with airbag connectors please disconnect the battery first. These connectors also make the bags go "bang". that is bloody scary and a dangerous place to be.
#33: Re: My 206 MOT Failure Author: JayH04, Location: Dublin, IrelandPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:36 am ---- Hi guys, thanks for all the suggestions and help over the past few days!
Problem solved! Didn't bother going to the main Peugeot dealer in the end!
So, it wasn't an airbag fault at all. It turned out, that the whole dash needs replacing as the airbag LED and a few others were broken. I think someone mentioned this earlier, and said it would be very rare... Well there you have it.
It hasn't been completed yet as the mechanic is sourcing a second hand dash. A new dash would have been €300 so its not worth it. A second hand one could be half the price.
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