#1: 206 GTi turbo NOW 205 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:15 am ---- Hi all i thought i would get a project thread started since i am on building me something special
I bought a 206 GTi 138 a couple of weeks back as a car to just get me about but to be honest i was very impressed with the way it drives and the power delivery of the car so decided to keep it and do a little work on it. The overall condition of the car is very good for the age and mileage with only a couple of parking dents on the driver side.
I bought the car with this spec:
Lowered 30mm
Morette headlights with H7 HID kit (Very poor lighting at night!)
Tinted windows all round
Wind deflectors
Decat
Straight through Longlife stainless steel exhaust
BCM DIA induction kit
Espace front splitter (will be removed as i hate it!)
Since then i have fitted a set of 15" Pro race 1.2s and i cant decide weather or not to fit my BMC CDA filter or to just leave the DIA one on???
Anyway my plan is to bolt on a nice turbo since i have noticed there isnt many people on here with a turbo 206.
Parts i have bought now:
TD04 T13 turbo from a subaru
38mm external wastgate with screamer pipe
GTi180 manifold what will be getting cut and extended for the turbo to sit above the gearbox
Fuel pressure reg
406 8v turbo ECU
GTi180 engine cover
Still a lot of parts to buy yet but hoping to have the car running boost by christmas at the latest. This is how the car stands at the minute.
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#2: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: tsotd, Location: kentPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:29 am ---- will be keeping a eye on this thread
You have to run a standalone or a driver for the fifth injector!
Not really, you can run a mapped 406 sri ecu with out any issues. i know of a couple of local lads running them, 1 on a 106 gti turbo and another on a 205 gti6 turbo. if i decide to go for more power in the future i will buy a vems ecu but for the time being there is no need.
Nice big intercooler and pipe work along with the TD04 here ready for everything else turning up
#6: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: shell-vt, Location: durhamPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:46 am ---- i,ll be watching this,,
ps what diffrence do you find with the 180 inlet
#7: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:22 am ---- With it being forged induction I cant really see a 180 inlet making a big amount of difference to be honest. DP engineering used the 138 inlet as well
#8: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:12 am ---- Has any thought about budget been made?
#9: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:51 am ---- No not really, just what ever it costs to get it up and running. Not planning on going mental tho I would say £1500-2000 I would budget since I already had a couple bits lying around
#10: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:41 am ---- I just see more agro than its worth personally! The cost of mega squiirts or drivers now a days is so cheap, there isnt much point using old hat. But it is your car so feel free
Just a subject on the 138 inlet, they are incredibly restrictive so I would recommend a change
#11: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:54 am ---- Id be looking to see if the Mini Cooper S/207 GTi engine can be made to fit. Engine will go in but the clever bit is getting the engine management to work.
#12: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:59 am ---- Management isnt a problem when you know the right people
#13: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:48 pm ---- On those engine which don't even use the throttle body to control air flow into the engine it's a difficult job.
#14: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:45 pm ---- Surely with a standalone ecu it shouldn't be a problen
#15: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:47 am ---- They are different to normal engines. They use the BMW valvetronic system and VVT as well. So a normal standalone ECU wouldn't have the right outputs to control the engine.
#16: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:07 am ----
Edward wrote:
They are different to normal engines. They use the BMW valvetronic system and VVT as well. So a normal standalone ECU wouldn't have the right outputs to control the engine.
The turbo engines VVT compared to the NA engines with VVL.
Both are s**te engines and should die out like the plague. Plus dont forget the petrol engines run direct HIGH pressure fuel systems as found normally on a diesel
That would be the most pain in the a**e engine to wire i can think of!
#17: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:17 am ---- I went down to see jim yeaterday but the 180 manifold I bought wont be here till tuesday so there is not much that can be done for the time being although he does have 2 or 3 2.0l 8v turbo engines lying around. Quite tempted to just fit one of them for the time being while I build up the 16v gti engine and maybe get it done to a better standard with a full engine rebuild with low comp pistons, bit head work and a bigger turbo for more power. Just so many options!!!
Can anyone tell me how easy/hard it is to remove the dash from a 206?
#18: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:39 am ---- Well i had a nice 10 hour night shift last night and got to bed around 9.30 only to have the postman banging on my door at 1pm this afternoon waking me up then i couldnt get bac to sleep! but i suppose i cant complain... untill i start work at 11pm again tonight. He brought me some shiny bits for the 206 B) The kits starting to build up bit by bit. Also digging around in my utility/parts room to find a braided brake like kit i bought last Christmas for my gti6 track car when i was planning on getting rid of the ABS. Might fit it to the 206 when i come to fit the turbo parts but then that would mean pulling the interior out as new brake lines would run inside the car with a compbrake bias valve. Anyway here is what turned up today and the brake lines i dug out.
#19: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:54 pm ---- GTi180 manifold arrived today so next week i can make a start on the turbo manifold Also came with it was a GTi180 engine cover... what doesnt fit at the minute, the engine lift hook is in the way whats not a problem and also is the throttle cable what shouldnt be there for much longer as i hopefuly plan to have a custom inlet fabricated for the turbo conversion.
Also my Bailey Dump valve arrived yesterday along with an adjustable fuel pressure reg.
Next:
Walbro 225 high pressure fuel pump
440cc OR 660cc injectors
Slim line fans
Ramair induction kit
Turbo oil feed
Braided fuel lines
Oil cooler
Air fuel ratio gauge
Think thats about it for the time being and then should hopefully have everything ready to fit and fingers crossed get running
#20: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:37 am ---- tempting man! going to do this soon too. 406 8v ecu direct fit?
#21: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:24 am ---- No will need the loom modified to fit mate. Its not permanent, its just to get it up and running till I get an omex or a vems.
No will need the loom modified to fit mate. Its not permanent, its just to get it up and running till I get an omex or a vems.
nice, don't forget share the wiring to mix with standard loom, I believe the 406 8V ECU need to be unlock?
Another thing, will you use standard internal or head spacer, like decompression plate or you will use forged piston and rod?
EW10 from 407 turbo in my country uses standard internal boosting 150Nm to 240Nm with boost 2.76psi only RON 95 , HP gain 40+ on wheel
#23: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:45 am ---- also still wondering how u modify gti 180 manifold to become turbo manifold???
#24: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:51 pm ---- Manifold is pretty easy to do. Mix a 180 manifold and a 306 gti6 manifold, there are a couple of different ways to do it.
internals will be standard with 2 head gaskets and a 1mm decomp plate what should drop me down to 8:1 compression. I dont plan to run any more than a bar of boost to start with, I will just see how things torn out then I can tweek it till I get the best from the engine.
photos will come if everything when I start
Manifold is pretty easy to do. Mix a 180 manifold and a 306 gti6 manifold, there are a couple of different ways to do it.
internals will be standard with 2 head gaskets and a 1mm decomp plate what should drop me down to 8:1 compression. I dont plan to run any more than a bar of boost to start with, I will just see how things torn out then I can tweek it till I get the best from the engine.
photos will come if everything when I start
Sorry ask a lot, very interested like im the one running this project
the decompression plate also will be 1mm custom made + original peugeot metal gasket as far i understand,usually seing people buy from dp engineering
#26: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:08 pm ---- 2 head gaskets and a 1mm plate will c**k up the cam timing nicely. You'll need vernier pulleys too.
#27: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:04 pm ---- I have been trying to find out info on the gti180 cam pullys as I hear they have VVT and would they work on my gti 138 cams?
other option is to see if I can find a thicker head gasket or fit 8v sri or 306 xsi pistons.
just sorted an oil cooler with thermostate sandwich plate
#28: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:27 am ----
eddy_gti wrote:
I have been trying to find out info on the gti180 cam pullys as I hear they have VVT and would they work on my gti 138 cams?
other option is to see if I can find a thicker head gasket or fit 8v sri or 306 xsi pistons.
just sorted an oil cooler with thermostate sandwich plate
hmm year 99 206 did have adjustable pulley mate may use that one?
#29: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:50 am ---- Just get some aftermarket pulleys.
#30: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:27 am ---- Any one know the standard compression on the 138 engine?
#31: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:19 pm ---- Got time to do a little work on the car today so i made a start with relocating to battery to the bood to make way for the turbo to sit.
Then i pulled the front end off to find the reason my fan wasnt working was because the previous owner looks to have tried to remove the fan to paint and snapped the bolt holding it to the fan motor! i also removed the crappy front splitter and replaced it with an astra one. Next was to see where my intercooler and oil cooler ws going to fit in, i managed to get holes drilled for the fmic mounts but need to find some longer bolts what i ill hopefully be able to pick up from work tomorrow.
Could do with a battery box lid but not sure weather they come on the 206 or not?
So the evos pistons and rods are a direct fit in our block?
Rods, no chance. Pistons I highly doubt it.
But try it, you might know someone who can do that for you
#35: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:51 pm ---- Think al just run the decomp plate
#36: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:21 pm ---- How do you know what compression 2 gaskets and a plate will give you?
I'd just turbo the standard engine at first and run low boost just to get it running.
#37: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:14 pm ---- That is my plan edward but I want a spare engine just incase anything happens but also plan to build a 3rd engine over time when I get a bit more money behind me so I can run half decent power. I have a mate I sometimes go up knockhill with who is building a 400bhp+ 306 gti6 engine but he is minted so has money to throw at his lol. I am only looking to run around 7-10psi max for the time being.
Fi dropped the turbo off today to have the manifold and downpipe flanges made then I will get the manifold made up towards the end of the week. Also hoping to get my intercooler and other little bits fitted this week so there out the way for when it comes to fitting the rest as I cant really have the car off the road too long due to work.
#38: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:25 pm ---- Gave to car a clean today and it came out very well. Found a few new parking dents of bellend opening their doors against my car what has really p**sed me ff! people have no respect for others
#39: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:10 pm ---- Well I have just gone and bought an 8v turbo engine. 67k miles so I am going to service the engine and fit all my parts to that instead. I will be happy with 220bhp. Maybe keep hold of the 16v engine and build that up next year.
#40: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm ---- Will the 180 manifold fit on that? Shame as I was interested too see how it was all going to come together
#41: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:47 pm ---- No need for the gti 180 manifold on the 8v engine, i can just make up a pipe to bolt to the standard turbo manifold what will bring my turbo rount to be above the gearbox. i might still build the 16v engine as there is only so much you can do with the 8v engines and at least i can do a proper job with the 16v engine having it out the car.
#42: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:21 pm ---- Sounds like a lot of work. What 8v engine is it?
#43: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:32 pm ---- Its a 406 sri engine. 2.0l 8v turbo with 8:1 flat top pistons. Will be running my td04 instead of the standard t25
#44: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:56 pm ---- 220?! So I may well be on par with a mear 1.4 8 valve. Stop faffing about and hit over 300 to at least make it worth it!
#45: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:41 pm ---- Am not bothered about having mental power. Cars going to be an everyday car no no point going daft and spending a fortune. As said I will have the 16v engine out of the car so makes things easier to work on and build a decent spec. Trying to get a new job, thats the reason for working at a budget for the minute
#49: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:23 pm ---- Sorry the 206 will be staying how it is now as a work horse. A friend of mine has finally decided to let me have one of his cars i have been after for a little while now what he has had i dry storage for the past 4 years
H reg 205 GTi in white, near mint body work, couple of small marks but will very easy clean up, low milage... Has the 8v turbo engine in what i will be using once rebuilt and tidied up along with the engine bay.
Cant beat a minted 205 gti... Turbo Last edited by eddy_gti on Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:10 am; edited 1 time in total
#50: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:53 pm ---- I would do some research about the 8v engine first as i have heard bad things about them. Eg not high revving, low bhp, very heavy. Will certainatly upset the handling of a 205. I'd say a decently tuned 1.9 205 engine would be much better.
#51: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:40 pm ---- I have had a 8v turbo 306 before and it shifted very well. Yes there low revving as standard, rev out at 6k but then again tge 206 does at 6.5k so not alot of difference there. Also the engine suits the 205 very well. Sound of slience in Falkirk have had a good few of these engines in their 205 track cars and put up a good battle against most high powered cars. 220+bhp in a car that weighs around 800kg will shift
#52: Re: 206 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:09 am ---- Here is the car, comes complete tho. Everything mission off the front is inside the car and he is giving me a spare bumper and bonnet too. Years of dust sitting on there ready to be cleaned away when i get it home later on today hopefully
#53: Re: 206 GTi turbo NOW 205 GTi turbo Author: eddy_gti, Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:16 pm ---- Picked the 205 up yesterday ad brought it home. What have i let myself in for? Just put it in my back yard for the time being. Made a start on it removed the front bumper and get the wire brush disc on the grinder and set away removing all the surface rust. Going to try get the engine out this week so i can get to the rest of the engine bay and get it ready to paint for the weekend.
#55: Re: 206 GTi turbo NOW 205 GTi turbo Author: 205GTi180, Location: DerbyshirePosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:54 am ---- Put a proper engine in it
#56: Re: 206 GTi turbo NOW 205 GTi turbo Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:44 am ---- Didn't think the 206 would go anywhere. Can the same be said of the 205?
#57: Re: 206 GTi turbo NOW 205 GTi turbo Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:19 am ---- i keen to see 206 gti turbo actually hehe
#58: Re: 206 GTi turbo NOW 205 GTi turbo Author: heyziq, Location: MalaysiaPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:22 am ---- update?
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