#16: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:11 am ---- Good choice of engine. Always EW>XU ;). Dont worry about VVT and DWB. If you have any standalone its not problem. Because you can use 1999 year 206 gti vernier pulley for disable VVT and very simple butterfly modification for older mechanical style.
Yes i will be using the 180 engine with cat cams and throttle bodies. I have two 180 engines here just incase anything goes wrong.
I have one of the engines in bits to check its all ok inside and it seems to be fine so i think i will go with this.
I am going to use an aftermarket ECU to power the engine side of things but i will have to keep the existing wiring to power all the dash equipment.
#18: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Jamie, Location: Ring y0Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:09 am ---- Steve how far have you got with the bodies etc? Have you had the Jenvey manifold machined yet?
You still got my email?
#19: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:04 am ---- Hi Jamie. Not got the throttle bodies yet but I was looking at another car that had throttle bodies fitted on a 180 so i have a rough idea of the problems that need to be dealt with. Have you got yours fitted yet?
Yeh i still have you email addy.
#20: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Jamie, Location: Ring y0Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:08 am ---- Mine's going in to be done in the next few weeks, do you have all the bodies and manifold/linkages etc?
What ECU are you going to be using?
#21: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:01 pm ---- That sounds good you will need to let me know how it goes and anything that needs modified then lol No i dont have any of the kit yet. Im still doing the bodywork so i put the engine on hold. I will be starting on it fairly soon though.
I am going to use emerald for the ECU i have dealt with them in the past. Do you know if you can use the aftermarket ecu for the speedometer/re counter or do you have to keep the standard ecu to deal with that?
#22: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:07 pm ---- 206gti180 cluster is communicated with BSI. Not ECU. So if you remove your stock ecu your a lot of gauge didnt work. (maybe fuel and temp work). Because gti180 have to much electronic (i hate that). Solution is simple. Paralel installation. Keep your stock ecu and move ignition and injection operations to your emerald. Both ecu will work with happiness. All gauge and cluster will work. This is used method on 206gti180 turbo car in Turkey.
#23: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:23 pm ---- The emerald has been rumoured to work with VVT. Dave Walker at Emerald is very easy to talk to so it pays to discuss your requirements with him. Good choice
#24: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Jamie, Location: Ring y0Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:48 pm ---- I equally recommend DTA
#25: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:23 am ----
Jamie wrote:
I equally recommend DTA
How can you recommend DTA. You just bought. Not connect to car and not actualy using. Emerald is oke. Maybe DTA is also oke but dont recommend before use.
#26: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:11 am ---- At the end of the day no ECU can give anymore power than another.
In my experience the datalogging ability of the Omex 600 and the 710 with its onboard logging facility are very worthwhile. Do other ECUs offer this facility?
Omex technical support is extremely good as well.
#27: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:20 am ---- Not many offer onboard logging but with the software available now it is possible to get most ECU`s to datalog live. I have the capability on the Mtech to datalog and self learn, but I inhibit the self learning as I dint want it getting all enviromental on me and leaning off my fuelling map.
As far as the pro`s and con`s of any ECU is concerned I feel personally it is down to the useage and the technician who is programming. If you want an ECU that just deals with ignition, you buy a cheaper version. Most nowadays will handle full ignition/injection capabilities and only vary really by the power of their individual processors, memory storage and sensor language. Same as a PC really in laymans terms.
Hope this helps
#28: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:39 am ----
Edward wrote:
At the end of the day no ECU can give anymore power than another.
In my experience the datalogging ability of the Omex 600 and the 710 with its onboard logging facility are very worthwhile. Do other ECUs offer this facility?
Omex technical support is extremely good as well.
Yes ECU brands didnt give extra power. They give good or bad support on phone or email. Solutions for problems. Most difference is tuning software. Onboard logging to SD card is good but not important for me. MS3 is also provide logging to onboard SD memory card slot. Anyway.
Some ECU have different boost level for each gear. (low boost on 1-2 gear and middle boost on 3 and finaly full boost on 4-5 maybe 6)
Better corrections. Better extra parameters. Better idling. Better knock control etc.etc. All of this possible when you have money.
#29: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:48 pm ---- I decided to use emerald as my local tuner knows them best plus I have had good help when using them before.
Finished the paining tonight so here are the pics. Just need one final layer and then a good polish before i can start putting all the new bits in
#30: Re: 206 GTI 180 Rally car project Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:30 am ---- Looking good.... how long do think the build will take?
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