#1: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:03 pm ---- Hi all,
New to the site and to 206s. Had four 306s tho! I've got a 306 Rallye as a weekend car but Im in need of a new daily. We've gotten a dog recently so I want a flat load bay and the car will do 25,000 miles a year so I want good mpg, and I wanted £35 road tax too boot. Not a lot of cars fit this bill for under my £3,000 budget. I'm thinking a 55/06 verve sw 1.4 hdi.
What I was wondering was what everyone's experiences were? Preferably with this exact engine and sw combo.
How big is the load area? (Anyone got any pics?), how economical is the engine? (Anyone tracking this properly using spritmonitor or similar?), how reliable are they? (For a peugeot! Ha) is the performance really that bad? Do they respond well to remap?
Is there any common faults?
Is it true you can't get a model with cruise control?
Any further comments on them really?
#2: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:07 pm ---- my advices is do not get the 1.4Hdi.
if you want a SW get the 2.0HDi, yes you will have to pay a lot more road tax but both the engine and the gearbox is stronger than the 1.4HDi.
#3: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:26 pm ---- The 1.4 offers significantly better fuel economy as well tho...
#4: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:43 pm ---- i can easily do over 60mpg on motorway with my tuned 2.0 HDi. 1.4HDi will be above 70mpg.
the turbo on the 1.4 HDi tends to fail quite early (small turbo but high pressure+non-intercooled); common head gasket problems; and not to mention the engine power....very slow car.
#5: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:57 am ---- Thanks for that sea book. Anything else anyone else can add?
#6: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:41 am ---- The 2.0 HDI has proven time & again to be bullet proof, it is easily the best diesel engine option in the 206.
#7: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: copey, Location: rochdalePosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:35 am ---- agree with the above on the 206, had mine remapped and intercoolered and easily pull 56/57 mpg without trying, if i try for economy can hit 62ish easily
#8: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:28 pm ---- put it this way, i have no major mechanical problems throughout my 6 year ownership of a 206 2.0 HDi (X reg)
#9: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:36 pm ---- My 1.4 hdi has done 30.000 miles in 10 months and not skipped a beat 124,000 miles turbo pulls spot on and gearbox is smooth. The 1.4 hdi myths are bulls**t. Cracking little car. Not the most
Powerful but enough pull for hills and overtaking.
#10: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:39 pm ---- That's 30,000 of pizza delivering.
So a fair bit of abuse and all stop start town driving
Still get 90 miles to a tenner.
#11: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:48 pm ---- I guess it's a bit of luck of the draw! Sounds like your regular French car! What's the weak points to look out for?
#12: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:52 pm ----
Orta wrote:
I guess it's a bit of luck of the draw! Sounds like your regular French car! What's the weak points to look out for?
Rear axles are absolute crap. But that's across the range not just 1.4 hdi
#13: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:19 pm ---- What are the tell take signs and the solution?
#14: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:23 pm ---- When mine went it sounded like the back end was knocking it's nuts off. Almost like two flat tyres. You'll be able to tell it just doesn't feel right. Especially over bumpy roads and rough tracks. Easiest solution is a new axle which is £250 for a refurbished one or I took a risk and got a used one for £80 however it is a risk that it'll be just as bad. It's safer with a refurb. Mine has been okay since
Touch wood but if it goes again I'll get a refurbed.
Fitting wise I don't know as I did it myself with a hydraulic lift and an hour it was done. Not a complicated job but I can imagine it's very difficult on just axle stands. A garage should have it changed relatively quickly.
#15: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:27 pm ---- Cheers buddy. What's your mpg experience?
#16: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Vexs, Location: LondonPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:34 pm ---- Rear axle is the main one as James stated.
Faulty comms2000 unit is a common problem too (stalk controls). Loose stalks, indicaters not sticking when signalling, High beam being intermittent. Not a huge problem £150 for a new unit, fit yourself if you fancy it, pretty straight forward.
#17: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:11 am ---- I haven't calculated a true mpg, but I get about 85-90 miles to £10 of diesel. And that's all town stop start driving motorway will be more. I guess 60mpg ish. I drive very economical though.
#18: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:13 am ----
Vexs wrote:
Rear axle is the main one as James stated.
Faulty comms2000 unit is a common problem too (stalk controls). Loose stalks, indicaters not sticking when signalling, High beam being intermittent. Not a huge problem £150 for a new unit, fit yourself if you fancy it, pretty straight forward.
Isn't there a guy on eBay that fixes your unit for £20? My indicator goes straight from indicating right to left on a sharp corner but it's never bothered me enough to get it fixed.
#19: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:37 am ---- Cheers for the input guys! I know it'll be slow the mrs used to have the 1.4 tdci fiesta, which I believe is the same engine? But for commuting and day to day duties the prospect of 60mpg vs the 40mpg I'm getting from my Toyota auris at the minute is proving irresistible.
Any other bugs, electrics etc. to look out for when viewing? As I'm calling someone about 1 this evening...
#20: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:38 am ---- Ps... Gonna try a 2.0 as well
#21: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: James3107, Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:56 am ---- Check the indicator stalk doesn't feel too loose as that could be a new comm unit. Which is £150 if it bothers you. Although they can be repaired guy on ebY charges £20
Test drive it for the rear axle which is a very common fault.
Also if you can try park it uphill and start it. These have crap fuel lines under the airbox and are prone to getting small air holes in them. Squeeze the priming bulb and see if it feels loose or if air is in it.
Peugeot charge £120 for the privelege of new lines. Although like split and I just rerouted a universal 5mm fuel pipe. Which is thick rubber and haven't had a problem since.
Yes it's same engine as fiesta 1.4tdci.
#22: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:08 pm ---- If its got air con make sure the slow and high speed fan is working, high speed fan should come on at roughly 85 degrees.
Loads of threads with this problem.
Resistor and relays corroding.
#23: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: pro_steve, Location: BristolPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:10 am ---- The 1.4 and 1.6 are ridiculously good on fuel. Maybe a bit less reliable than the 2.0 but not if you remove the Dpf from the 1.6. All respond well to remaps, but the 1.4 will always be slow no matter how much you spend on it, but its not going to use much fuel and road tax is really cheap.
The 2.0 can be picked up cheaply and is indestructible so you may actually save money in the long run even though it will use a bit more diesel. The 2.0 you'll usually stay above 50 mpg average, the 1.6 more like 60mpg, the 1.4 is better still if you can drive it slowly, however I found I had to thrash it to get anything out of it so tends to use more with my style of driving.
I've had all three in 206s and various other cars, you can't beat the 1.6 110 in my opinion. Don't know why people give them such bad press to be honest. Look after the car and it will look after you.
#24: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:10 am ---- I drove a 1.4 HDi daily for three years, racked up 70k miles and never really had an issue. Yes they are a little sluggish but apart from wear n' tear parts the thing has been absolutely brilliant. 176,000 miles now and just about to get intercooled and a new style turbo (and thats not because the old one is knackard)
I also have the 2.0HDi SW and that pretty good, running a stage 1 and drives well. Rear wiper and demister doesn't work (standard for a SW) but its quite nice to cruise along in.
I've had all three in 206s and various other cars, you can't beat the 1.6 110 in my opinion. Don't know why people give them such bad press to be honest. Look after the car and it will look after you.
My 1.6HDi is well looked after, and it looks after me (cruising past BMW's and Audi's up hills is just so satisfying).
A DPF-delete and Remap makes a 1.6 110 into a pretty serious machine...
I drove a 1.4 HDi daily for three years, racked up 70k miles and never really had an issue. Yes they are a little sluggish but apart from wear n' tear parts the thing has been absolutely brilliant. 176,000 miles now and just about to get intercooled and a new style turbo (and thats not because the old one is knackard)
I also have the 2.0HDi SW and that pretty good, running a stage 1 and drives well. Rear wiper and demister doesn't work (standard for a SW) but its quite nice to cruise along in.
What's the fix for the rear wiper and demister? The latter is essential in my book as it's going to carry a dog who likes to breath heavily onto the boot glass.
#28: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:09 am ---- there's is a few threads kicking around the internet about fixes for it. Effectively the screen has 'electrical tracks' which break/peel off.
What I've seen done is actually use wire and stick it to the glass. Bit of a bodge but a new glass from peugeot would be bend over prices for sure.
Haven't fixed mine yet as I'm using the car daily, using rain-x for the moment haha. When the 1.4 is back on the road I'll look into it. You maybe lucky and get one that already works.
#29: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:34 pm ---- What is actually the difference between trims? I'm looking at a verve and and an s model and it seems the only difference is alloys and fully colour coded. Otherwise they're all the same... Every trim seems to be. Am I missing something subtle?
#30: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:55 pm ---- 206 trims are a minefield as there has been so many different badges stuck on from the factory over the years.
How old is the S spec 206 as even that had trim upgrades on the later versions, one example:
Early S spec had non sport front bumper without front fogs.
Later S spec had sports front bumper including front fogs.
#31: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:39 am ---- Ah I see most confusing. The s I was looking at was a 2005 but doesn't have fog lights. Does have a/c tho!! There any fault with a/c systems on these the same as 306s?
#32: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: dsiingh, Location: West MidlandsPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:01 am ---- Get it look after it remap it. I've got a 1.4hdi two door. And my dad has a 1.4 sw petrol. Both of which haven't caused any problems. The rear axle went on my dads car. That was about it. Its my second 206. Will I get another one? Yes. I'm considering a 1.6 hdi with dpf removed and remapped.
#33: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:55 am ---- So the auris is gone so will be sw shopping very shortly. So I'm looking for faulty rear washer and screen, rear beam (camber), faulty stalks, intermittent main beams
Then the usual turbo blue smoke, clutch etc. will be checking it has the connectors for the throttle/clutch as per cruise control thread as this is something I'm definitely interested in adding.
When looking into paperwork etc, what actually are the service intervals on the 1.4 hdi?
When is the Cambelt/timing belts meant to be changed? When are aux belts meant to be changed? Any other big ticket belts/etc items that perish over time that I should be making sure have been done?
#34: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:37 am ----
Orta wrote:
So I'm looking for faulty rear washer and screen, rear beam (camber), faulty stalks, intermittent main beams
Standard issue regarding the rear wiper i'm in the middle of fixing mine. Stalks will be the COM2000 (need to change whole unit - maybe the main beam issue? - unless you have auto lights?)
Rear beam...again be standard issue, If your cant find a replacement SW one, a hatchback one fits...thats what I'm running until I rebuild the SW one.
When looking into paperwork etc, what actually are the service intervals on the 1.4 hdi?
Dash display states 12k (I think) I do my high milage 1.4HDi at around 8K (Oil and Filter + Air Filter, maybe pollen) Every other service I'd do the Diesel filter.
When is the Cambelt/timing belts meant to be changed?
Don't actually know this, took an original off the old man's at 100k, back along and it looked fine (quite a wide belt)
When are aux belts meant to be changed?
I'd go on condition tbh.
Any other big ticket belts/etc items that perish over time that I should be making sure have been done?
Check front brake flexi pipes, I've had to do a couple on 206s before.
Rear load sensing valve/lever seizes.
General wear n' tear then.
#35: Re: 206 1.4 HDi SW Author: Orta, Location: GranthamPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:27 pm ---- Cheers buddy I really appreciate that, it's fairly comprehensive. Got a couple of "verve" spec in my sights.
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