Seems like my problem as the Rev counter's been misbehaving for the last few months too.
Had the no glowlight symptoms before and have eliminated the glowplug relay by having that changed. It's been fine for a few weeks.
Now back to no glowplug light and no starting. All the cranking in the world though. No fuses seem blown.
Looks like the 'multifunction relay' or 'combination relay' or 'ecu relay' is at fault. Haynes says its under the ECU but being WJZ mine has no ECU. So where is it? I'd like to pull it and check for a part number to go ebaying. On top of what would be the ECU plate (offside front behind the headlight) is a relay marked as a bitron >ppe-gf10< but googling that brings it up as cooling fan relay. There's another one of these on the nearside near the bulkhead. Not sure of the significance of that but I thought it weird.
Anyway a little help from the many who seem to have had this issue please? If this doesn't work it's off to we buy anycar for the girl as I'm sure the shortly due MOT is going to find something else.
LM
#2: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: DREWDEN, Location: huddersfieldPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:00 am ---- With just the ignition on 2nd position, before trying to start the car, is the fuel pump priming, (noise for about 5 seconds.)
#3: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: LemmingMan, Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:15 am ---- Cheers for responding.
Must admit I can't pick up any sound even with the bonnet open. But that could just be my ears. What sort of noise am I listening for?
More help for diagnosis. Last time running was yesterday where she turned over after the third try with a puff of white smoke. This was a return from the local Tesco when she'd been running about half an hour previously. Both to and from the supermarket required three attempts to start with about 2 or 3 seconds of key turn a piece.
Just tried again. Three key turns of about 3 seconds each. Faint white cloud of vapour out the exhaust and a faint smell of fuel.
I'll be honest I'm no mechanic (in case anyone hadn't picked up on that yet) but doesn't the above hint fuel is flowing?
Must admit I can't pick up any sound even with the bonnet open. But that could just be my ears. What sort of noise am I listening for?
More help for diagnosis. Last time running was yesterday where she turned over after the third try with a puff of white smoke. This was a return from the local Tesco when she'd been running about half an hour previously. Both to and from the supermarket required three attempts to start with about 2 or 3 seconds of key turn a piece.
Just tried again. Three key turns of about 3 seconds each. Faint white cloud of vapour out the exhaust and a faint smell of fuel.
I'll be honest I'm no mechanic (in case anyone hadn't picked up on that yet) but doesn't the above hint fuel is flowing?
Mark
No disrespect to the person who answered your post, but the DW8 is pretty much the same as the old XUD9 and has a mechanical fuel pump.
Pretty much no PSA diesel ever has 'primed' at the turn of the key like a petrol engine does, as it's a mechanical fuel pump (even the HDi). This wouldn't matter a bean to the glow plugs either.
Anyway, it'll no doubt be electrical somewhere along the way - it's just a case of chasing back the circuit.
See if this thread helps, assuming you've not already read it
#5: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:58 pm ---- Just shove some diagnostic equipment on it then report back with the codes
#6: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: badj, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:23 am ----
Addaz wrote:
Just shove some diagnostic equipment on it then report back with the codes
There's no ECU, so that's hardly going to help him.
There's a number of factors to look at really, and if the rev counter is being a PITA then that could well be the TDC sensor.
I've had the TDC sensor issue on the older XUD9TE version in several guises, but I don't recall it affecting the preheating circuit.
Things that do affect the preheating circuit are the coolant temp sensor (as it overrides the system at 80 deg C) and I think the load lever switch on the fuel pump.
Considering the issues though, I'd be tempted to chase the wiring back up to perhaps the bulkhead, or any area which has a multiconnector - there's a good chance that it may have let in some moisture and just needs a bit of WD40 or similar.
#7: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:31 am ----
badj wrote:
Addaz wrote:
Just shove some diagnostic equipment on it then report back with the codes
There's no ECU, so that's hardly going to help him.
There's a number of factors to look at really, and if the rev counter is being a PITA then that could well be the TDC sensor.
I've had the TDC sensor issue on the older XUD9TE version in several guises, but I don't recall it affecting the preheating circuit.
Things that do affect the preheating circuit are the coolant temp sensor (as it overrides the system at 80 deg C) and I think the load lever switch on the fuel pump.
Considering the issues though, I'd be tempted to chase the wiring back up to perhaps the bulkhead, or any area which has a multiconnector - there's a good chance that it may have let in some moisture and just needs a bit of WD40 or similar.
The bsi (well the equlivilant back then) may have recorded some issues. Probably end up being along the lines of the immobilisation solenoid.
And also lets face it glows plugs dont affext the vehicle till below 5 degrees
#8: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: badj, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:35 am ----
Addaz wrote:
badj wrote:
Addaz wrote:
Just shove some diagnostic equipment on it then report back with the codes
There's no ECU, so that's hardly going to help him.
There's a number of factors to look at really, and if the rev counter is being a PITA then that could well be the TDC sensor.
I've had the TDC sensor issue on the older XUD9TE version in several guises, but I don't recall it affecting the preheating circuit.
Things that do affect the preheating circuit are the coolant temp sensor (as it overrides the system at 80 deg C) and I think the load lever switch on the fuel pump.
Considering the issues though, I'd be tempted to chase the wiring back up to perhaps the bulkhead, or any area which has a multiconnector - there's a good chance that it may have let in some moisture and just needs a bit of WD40 or similar.
The bsi (well the equlivilant back then) may have recorded some issues. Probably end up being along the lines of the immobilisation solenoid.
And also lets face it glows plugs dont affext the vehicle till below 5 degrees
On an archaic engine like the DW8 (which, lets face it is a reflogged XUD from the 80's) the engine will rely heavily on glow plugs to provide the heat/compression from cold start up.
The immobiliser solenoid could be the issue, but it's not likely as it wouldn't 9shouldn't) affect the glowplug relay.
As the 'immobiliser' basically just overrides the stop solenoid, the easiest way to tell would be to crack the fuel lines (quite safe on these, no high pressure like a HDi) and see for certain if fuel is getting through.
you can bodge these sorts of things by adding in an override switch/circuit for the glow plugs, but it's best to do a basic trace of the wiring to look for corrosion or a loose connection.
#9: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: LemmingMan, Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:18 pm ---- All interesting stuff. Thanks folks.
Since I've still not found the location of the likely relay, really what I wanted to try changing myself before passing her to a garage, I've turned it over to my mechanic to resolve.
Will report back.
LM
#10: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:43 am ---- Air in the fuel lines I'd be looking for.
#11: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: LemmingMan, Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:41 am ---- As a side note to get her to the garage a little carb cleaner sprayed in to the air intake was all it took to get her going.
As I expected fuel doesn't seem to be the issue. Pretty sure it's the multi relay and its feed into the glowplug relay. The technician will advise.
Just shove some diagnostic equipment on it then report back with the codes
There's no ECU, so that's hardly going to help him.
There's a number of factors to look at really, and if the rev counter is being a PITA then that could well be the TDC sensor.
I've had the TDC sensor issue on the older XUD9TE version in several guises, but I don't recall it affecting the preheating circuit.
Things that do affect the preheating circuit are the coolant temp sensor (as it overrides the system at 80 deg C) and I think the load lever switch on the fuel pump.
Considering the issues though, I'd be tempted to chase the wiring back up to perhaps the bulkhead, or any area which has a multiconnector - there's a good chance that it may have let in some moisture and just needs a bit of WD40 or similar.
The bsi (well the equlivilant back then) may have recorded some issues. Probably end up being along the lines of the immobilisation solenoid.
And also lets face it glows plugs dont affext the vehicle till below 5 degrees
On an archaic engine like the DW8 (which, lets face it is a reflogged XUD from the 80's) the engine will rely heavily on glow plugs to provide the heat/compression from cold start up.
The immobiliser solenoid could be the issue, but it's not likely as it wouldn't 9shouldn't) affect the glowplug relay.
As the 'immobiliser' basically just overrides the stop solenoid, the easiest way to tell would be to crack the fuel lines (quite safe on these, no high pressure like a HDi) and see for certain if fuel is getting through.
you can bodge these sorts of things by adding in an override switch/circuit for the glow plugs, but it's best to do a basic trace of the wiring to look for corrosion or a loose connection.
There is pressure, but as you said, not like the HDI but i still wouldnt enjoy 200 to 400 bar hitting me
Hdi's operate at 1200 to 2000 nowadays.
#13: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: LemmingMan, Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:20 am ---- Right. Only goes to show. Apparently I have what's been described as a disintegrating engine bay fusebox. As its part of the loom, again apparently, a swine to change. Mechanic cant get a replacement anyway.
His suggestion is get it to an auto electrician who could be able to bypass the damaged section hooking up glowplug relay via ignition. With the fuse box in questionable condition I wonder if its worth it. I reckon the rear motor mount may be on the way out judging by the hammering on the floor when I start her and the knock when accelerating. Plus the grumbling from similar location could be the bearing running through it. Then there's the chance she'll need a new windscreen. Anyway I digress.
Looks like its a trip to the auto electrician for further opinion come Monday.
LM
#14: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:12 am ---- Send it of to China, recycle it in to something more useful.
#15: Re: 1999 206 1.9d WJZ - no glowplug light - No Start. Author: badj, Location: WiltshirePosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:40 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
badj wrote:
Addaz wrote:
badj wrote:
Addaz wrote:
Just shove some diagnostic equipment on it then report back with the codes
There's no ECU, so that's hardly going to help him.
There's a number of factors to look at really, and if the rev counter is being a PITA then that could well be the TDC sensor.
I've had the TDC sensor issue on the older XUD9TE version in several guises, but I don't recall it affecting the preheating circuit.
Things that do affect the preheating circuit are the coolant temp sensor (as it overrides the system at 80 deg C) and I think the load lever switch on the fuel pump.
Considering the issues though, I'd be tempted to chase the wiring back up to perhaps the bulkhead, or any area which has a multiconnector - there's a good chance that it may have let in some moisture and just needs a bit of WD40 or similar.
The bsi (well the equlivilant back then) may have recorded some issues. Probably end up being along the lines of the immobilisation solenoid.
And also lets face it glows plugs dont affext the vehicle till below 5 degrees
On an archaic engine like the DW8 (which, lets face it is a reflogged XUD from the 80's) the engine will rely heavily on glow plugs to provide the heat/compression from cold start up.
The immobiliser solenoid could be the issue, but it's not likely as it wouldn't 9shouldn't) affect the glowplug relay.
As the 'immobiliser' basically just overrides the stop solenoid, the easiest way to tell would be to crack the fuel lines (quite safe on these, no high pressure like a HDi) and see for certain if fuel is getting through.
you can bodge these sorts of things by adding in an override switch/circuit for the glow plugs, but it's best to do a basic trace of the wiring to look for corrosion or a loose connection.
There is pressure, but as you said, not like the HDI but i still wouldnt enjoy 200 to 400 bar hitting me
Hdi's operate at 1200 to 2000 nowadays.
I'm not sure why any fuel should ever be 'hitting' you, but Peugeot's own method for bleeding the fuel lines on an XUD series engine involves cracking the fuel lines.
For the OP, the fusebox itself should be removable - not sure what your mechanic is quite on about.
Case in point, one on ebay which should be the same
Rear engine mount isn't that bad of a job, depending on whether the bearing needs looking at. Essentially you'd need to remove the driveshaft to take the whole assembly out, but I've done quite a few in the past and they're not that much of a nightmare, but they do have a habit of the bearing on the driveshaft seizing to the mounting.
Often the windscreen can be done on the insurance for either free or very little - it'd be a shame to not keep a car based on the cost to repair being reasonable little.
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