#1: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: shaunbrook7104, Location: ShropshirePosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:23 am ---- Hey guys I've been looking for reference material online for a while now with no luck really!!!
I'm looking for the gearbox on a 405 MI16 fitting a 206 GTI 180/RC engine block.
All the pictures google has showed seem as if they are exactly the same mounting points and the gearbox mount and bushes seem the same to.
Is this me or is it coincidence? I've emailed Spoox but no reply yet, they probably haven't finished laughing yet haha
Any Ideas guys would be cool
#2: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: shaunbrook7104, Location: ShropshirePosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:57 am ---- So i got a reply from Spoox and they say that the gearbox will match up exactly and will work front wheel drive! I just have to weld and install the rear end and do some tunnel work for the rear
#3: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:24 am ---- Can a crank sensor be fitted the to mi-16 gearbox?
#4: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:07 pm ---- Any particular reason for doing so?
The MI-16 is just an XU10 lump, similar to the GTi-6, but depending on the year will either be a BE1 or BE3 box, either way more than likely to be on a cable clutch set up where as the 180 runs a hydraulic set up.
#5: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:03 pm ---- I can swap all your internals from one box to other at a cost.
Or even fit the 180 bellhousing to your 405 mid casing
Meaning you would require no hacking about and have whatever is special in your gearbox into another.
#6: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:05 pm ---- Im just stabbing at the dark here but by the sounds of it he may be using the chocolate peugeot 4wd system found in some 405's
#7: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:10 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
Im just stabbing at the dark here but by the sounds of it he may be using the chocolate peugeot 4wd system found in some 405's
Oh dear, the mk1 MI-16X4 transmission That has some nasty electrical gremlins if I remember rightly, that will be a BE1 box if my memory does work haha.
Could be interesting for the 5 minuites it works
Speaking of swapping box's around I may have some work for you at some point in the non too distant future as well.
#8: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:11 pm ---- would that be the KitKat one
#9: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:19 pm ----
macj wrote:
would that be the KitKat one
Pretty much
#10: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:22 pm ---- NOTE to OP
I like the way your thinking.... but I wouldn't do it if you are going to stick any amps thru it
#11: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:28 pm ---- What system did they use on the wrc car? That was an EW10 lump wasn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Just thinking about it, where did they get the space from for the transfer box, on the 180 especially I cant think how you'd get the box and the exhaust in there.
#12: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: 206gt160, Location: BlackburnPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:32 pm ---- What are the issues with the electrics on the 4 wheel drive system, also are there any other issues/weakness'. I didn't know they did a 4 wheel drive system. How good would a 4 wheel drive 206 Gti be! By the sounds of things it would be a bad idea though wih using this system
Bump Last edited by 206gt160 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:52 pm; edited 2 times in total
#13: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:32 pm ---- The 206 WRC didn't use an EW10 engine.
#15: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:38 pm ---- My bad, I stand corrected, so the wrc car was the early mi-16 lump then.
What are the issues with the electrics on the 4 wheel drive system, also are there any other issues/weakness'. I didn't know they did a 4 wheel drive system. How good would a 4 wheel drive 206 Gti be! By the sounds of things it would be a bad idea though wih using this system
Bump
Its the fact it wont take any sort of power for long.
#17: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: 206gt160, Location: BlackburnPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:04 pm ---- Cheers Macj, has no one tried to solve these issues. Is it the diff that shatters? Or transmission shaft weakness? Interested to learn the faults of the system
#18: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:10 pm ---- I think the description given earlier sums it up..... made of chocolate
#19: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: 206gt160, Location: BlackburnPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:29 pm ---- I will do some research and find out what parts are made of chocolate, I will post it up when I find out.
#22: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: shaunbrook7104, Location: ShropshirePosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:13 am ---- Hey guys cheers on the feed back. I have been looking around for the T16 transfer box as its more bulky but then if I use the MI16 transfer box there are no electrical wizardry tasks to be done :/
I was just browsing pictures of the bell housing online and it seemed to similar so I got in touch with Spoox. The main issue I would have is going from cable to linkage!
The second would be going from a hydraulic clutch to a cable clutch. Unless you can change the fork inside the bell housing from a pull type fork to a push type fork?
Its just out of curiosity I am researching this and to see if it could actually be done in theory. I would have to spend alot of time getting the transfer box in and fitting the exhaust all in the recessed fire wall which is slightly off putting haha
whats the thoughts guys?
#23: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:20 pm ---- This has been done with the sierra cosworth 4x4 running gear in a Puma shell. I think the whole floor pan was used. For sure it would be possible with a 206 using the Escort cosworth but why bother. If you could get a sierra shell shortended and made to fit it would be a very good effort.
#24: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:46 pm ---- That much effort i wouldnt entertain it unless you had money to burn!
By far cheaper to fit a 206 shell to a cosworth floor pan and work from that
#25: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: Oafie, Location: Glyn CeiriogPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:50 pm ---- Dimma converted a 206 to four wheel drive by welding a cossie floor pan in and using all ford running gear years ago so it is doable. why not use audi tt running gear? more usable, reliable and easier to get hold of.
#26: Re: 206 RC/GTI 180 bellhousing matching 405 MI16 Bellhousing Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:53 pm ---- PEC in Essex were going to do it but I think they have the wide arch shell up for sale now
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