#1: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:49 pm ---- What parts makes that noise when the axles gone ?
It's the most annoying sound jack the car up and Ting !
Is there a bar on the inside of the beam ??
#2: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:48 am ---- Will probably be the anti roll bar. It doesn't mean the axle bearings are worn.
#3: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:41 pm ---- So where is the anti roll bar & how easy is it to replace ?
Ive received a recon axle fresh from imaxle under warranty many thanks to Martin .. Only good words I have for him ..
I hope this axle isn't going to be too low again also the tracking/ toe I hope is correct off the rear arms ...
The axle stubs ? That hold the hub ..on the old axle was completely out of line giving me - toe ....
will fit It this weekend :):) it looks way too low sitting here looking at it . Sway bars may stay off less weight any how
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#4: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:46 pm ---- Runs through the central bar of the axle. Check the nuts that hold the endplate are done up tight.
#5: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:01 pm ---- All is tight and I've got play in the rear arm .
Depends on what wheel is lifted to what side the noise comes from .
#6: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:13 pm ---- Sway bars may stay off yet you don't know where the ARB is?
#7: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:20 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Sway bars may stay off yet you don't know where the ARB is?
Read the question . I'm still Tring to get the info needed .
The ain't roll goes thou the axle it's bolted either side . End plates.
My question is what's causing the ting noise ?
Please explain how a bar through a beam knocks badly when worn ?
#8: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:29 am ---- Well to leave the 'sway ' bars off where would they be left off from?
#9: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:39 am ----
Edward wrote:
Well to leave the 'sway ' bars off where would they be left off from?
Mugging me off Edward !
Left off the rear axle from the allot centre bracket to the rear arm..
Now can you explain how the noise ??? Or don't you know because it seems your avoiding my question like always .
What causes the ting and why ? Cheers
#10: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:37 am ---- If everything is tight how have you got play. You should be able to work out what is giving. Take off one of the art end plates and I bet the tinging stops.
#11: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:32 am ---- The end plates are either loose or they need knocking on a couple more mm.
#12: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:46 am ---- I've no play I've got a ting noise .
When one wheel lifts up it goes ting in the centre of the beam .. Had same problem on silver gti .. (With excessive play in the arm) ..
The anti roll is tight as can be .
#13: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:12 pm ---- You said you've got play in rear arm a few posts back?
If you've got a new axle I don't see the problem.
#14: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:46 pm ---- I would like to understand the issue and how the noise is created .
#15: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:11 pm ---- So would I! Definitely have the same thing or ting or clink or clang!
Is it really a case of banging the ends on harder or should a replacement ARB be sought, perhaps with new end plates?
Both the bolts on mine steered off. One side, then 2 or 3 months later the other. Replaced each shortly after they went. Now the noise after replacing both bolts with new. I also noticed the loud twang noise when jacking up as well.
Don’t mean to hijack a thread, but I’ve done A LOT of reading and this is another good source. I’ve just not found a definitive answer and also it seems difficult to find a replacement ARB, rather than though whole rear assembly.
Any assistance greatly appreciated. Let me know if a new thread is preferred.
Thanks.
#16: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:22 am ---- Not sure hijacking is the right term when the thread is nearly three years old!
I'm inclined to this that this is the torsion bars not arb .. our old CC was prone to this (now sold) but our 1.4 Hdi is fine ..
#17: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:55 pm ---- Lol no worries. Thanks Gazza82. I’m perhaps not up to speed on forums. Very much appreciate your reply.
My ting happens if the car is thrown into (say) a left bend. Then it won’t do it again until perhaps thrown into a right bend. There has to be a good force not just your average corner turning. Not that it has to be driven excessively hard either. As the average road isn’t a race track! It seems to be alternate corners it happens though. Three left handlers would result in one ting, probably on the first.
I’ve had the car near 10 years now and never had any problems from the rear bar brakes. It’s a 55 with 73k. I read it’s normally the axle on older models and arb is possible. But what happens when the torsion bars go wrong? I’m checking diagrams on the net, but if anyone has pics that can show me what is what that would be great.
I’ve only recently been looking into this so I’m not completely familiar with every part of the rear set up and it’s term.
Thanks very much.
#18: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:04 am ---- It's very unlikely to be the torsion bars making a noise. The anti roll bar just needs the 13mm bolts to be slightly loose and you'll get the metallic clunk or rattle on bumps.
#19: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:22 am ---- Thanks Edward. The bolts are tightened to about 40Nm. There’s definitely no play in them. The ting or pink or tung noise only seems to happen on a hard bend. Doesn’t really happen just over bumps as such :-/
#20: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:24 am ---- Lol no worries. Thanks Gazza82. I’m perhaps not up to speed on forums. Very much appreciate your reply.
My ting happens if the car is thrown into (say) a left bend. Then it won’t do it again until perhaps thrown into a right bend. There has to be a good force not just your average corner turning. Not that it has to be driven excessively hard either. As the average road isn’t a race track! It seems to be alternate corners it happens though. Three left handlers would result in one ting, probably on the first.
I’ve had the car near 10 years now and never had any problems from the rear bar brakes. It’s a 55 with 73k. I read it’s normally the axle on older models and arb is possible. But what happens when the torsion bars go wrong? I’m checking diagrams on the net, but if anyone has pics that can show me what is what that would be great.
I’ve only recently been looking into this so I’m not completely familiar with every part of the rear set up and it’s term.
Thanks very much.
#21: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:27 am ---- Torsion bars don't go wrong. There's nothing to go wrong. They are literally a bar with splined ends. They couldn't get any simpler.
#22: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 5:05 pm ---- Not quite sure how I managed to repost that message but I can’t remove now either. Sorry about that.
Thanks Edward. So are the torsion bars the bars that run top and bottom of the axle bar, with the anti roll bar running down the centre of the axle? I realise it’s not a proper axle but it’s the main bar running across the frame.
I just can’t work out what’s making the noise then. Is it going to be a case of removal to find out? Does anyone know where I can get new bit I need or would it be better to replace the entire assembly?!! I’d rather not of course!
#23: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 5:47 pm ---- What would make the ting noise? There was no noise until the 13mm bolts sheered off. Once replaced this noise started, but they are tight as can be.
#24: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: SamanthasHubby, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Sat May 26, 2018 6:49 pm ---- Have you checked to see if the torsion bar is not ‘jumping’ a spline when you go around a bend causing the ting?
If you mark the end and take it for a drive to get the ting to happen on one side then check the mark to see if it has moved. That way you can rule out the torsion bar.
#25: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun May 27, 2018 6:37 am ---- If the torsion bar splines were slipping the suspension would collapse.
#26: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 8:49 am ----
owlinbrum wrote:
What would make the ting noise? There was no noise until the 13mm bolts sheered off. Once replaced this noise started, but they are tight as can be.
How did they sheer of in the first place?
#27: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 12:18 pm ---- I had exact same noise, and once I removed the axle, I could hear the anti-roll bar clanging at one end, when I gave it a shake.
I've had the noise in bends too (I'd presume is when the ARB is "at work")
That axle is ancient, and the bolts are seized up, unsure when I'll have time to inspect it :/
#28: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: owlinbrum, Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:19 am ---- Thanks for all the replies guys. I’ve no idea how they sheered off in the first instance. I can only presume fatigue, but I’ve heard some people have had them come loose and then break. I’ve no idea if the near side became loose before snapping, but I made sure the offside wasn’t loose. I only didn’t replace it at the same time assuming it was steadfast (as it wasn’t loose) and I didn’t want to snap it needlessly undoing it. But then it went anyway!
I can understand the idea of the anti roll bar slipping a notch or jumping the spline and would assume the suspension would stay in place, rather than collapse with shockers still doing their bit. But I’m not familiar enough with how it all works to be certain what would happen.
I still get the ping, or ting, (it’s very similar to a spanner hitting an aircon regassing canister!) on the occasional left or right though. I need to try to get under there with the wheels off and see if I can push the arms to reenact the movement. I’d be very grateful if you (Sim) were to be able to find time to disassemble the rear axle you had the same experience with. It may help more than me to understand what’s happening here.
Thanks all, as always.
#29: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:59 am ---- If the bars were jumping a notch the rear end of your car would look really low
#30: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:24 am ---- Owned / driven many different PSA products over many years with the same basic torsion bar rear axle set up, never had a problem / noise with any of them.
The 206 i recently part ex at 15 years old had 118k on it & still the original rear axle was fine.
#31: Re: rear axle & the metal on metal noise Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:43 am ---- That 2nd hand axle with unknown history also had one 13mm bolt missing. Maybe ARB gets somehow dislodged when it unwinds because of this? The clanging started after a good month of driving around though, might be unrelated.
I can try to open the axle up only next week, amongst other PugFest prep the time is tight
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