#1: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:03 pm ---- I have the common problem of engine cutting out while driving. 2002 Peugeot 206 LX 1.4 auto. Also, speedo and odometer have quit working. I'm pretty sure the faults are related as they appeared together after I replaced rear brake shoes. I do not understand what the brakes have to do with the problem as I have no ABS and thus no sensors on the rear wheels.
I believe that the problem most likely occured because I had the bonnet open while working and it was raining at the time, so engine bay got wet. However, this was over a week ago now and I would have thought things would have dried out.
Things I've tried so far:
- removed cleaned and refitted coil pack (this was recently replaced with new bosch plugs)
- removed cleaned throttle body, stepper motor, MAF, MAP
- undone cleaned and remade earth connections 2 top of autobox, 1 to bulkhead, 2 behind headlights
- removed ECUs cleaned connectors
- reset BSI
- disconected cleaned and reconnected all accessable sensor connectors
- checked air filter
- changed oil
The engine runs sweet as can be, it's just that I get regular but intermitant beep and brief flash of warning stop light (oil pressure lamp flickers too). The engine then cuts off. knock it into neutral, turn off ignition then turn key to restart and I can keep going. Not good though and doubt it will keep going lke that for ever.
I did notice once or twice, the speedo dial moving up and the back down both while stationary and moving. Also, curious clicking noises when turning ignition on, or putting lights on, opening door. Sounds like two places this is coming from; the stepper motor, and the instrument cluster.
I have also replaced he timing belt but the problems described started 'before' I changed the belt.
I'm now at a loss what to try?
#2: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:33 am ---- Id be getting a main dealer to look at that, or get some parameters. We are only guessing on here eith what youve put up
#3: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: Hummy, Location: London, United KingdomPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:56 pm ---- I had to have my rear brake pad repaired by a mechanic (I wasn't around when he did the work) but I have almost identical problems to those you're describing. Did you find a solution CliffordGarrett?
#4: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:41 am ----
Hummy wrote:
I had to have my rear brake pad repaired by a mechanic (I wasn't around when he did the work) but I have almost identical problems to those you're describing. Did you find a solution CliffordGarrett?
Not yet no.
#5: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:44 am ----
Addaz wrote:
Id be getting a main dealer to look at that, or get some parameters. We are only guessing on here eith what youve put up
If I could afford a main dealer, I wouldn't be crawling around on the floor doing my own repairs and servicing; or frequenting on-line forums for that matter.
#6: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:04 pm ---- So, code reader gives the following codes stored:
P0350 - Ignition coil primary/secondary
P0135 - O2 sensor heating bank 1 sensor 1
P0141 - O2 sensor heating bank 1 sensor 2
P0200 - injector circuit/open
P0440 - evaporative emission
P0500 - vehicle speed sensor A
Of course, no idea how long some have been stored or if all are relevant now. P0500 could explain the speedo. Lol now, where to start next? Open to helpful suggestions. This is a 2002 206 1.4 lx auto (the 8v)
#7: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: Motorracingbruce1980, Location: West SussexPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:56 am ---- Clear the fault codes and then drive/re test and see which codes come back
#8: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:50 am ----
Motorracingbruce1980 wrote:
Clear the fault codes and then drive/re test and see which codes come back
Yep, done that. Same set came back. Cut out twice after it reached running temp. So, looks like I'll have to do some serious investigating. Starting to look like scrap!
#9: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:19 am ---- You need to replace the PCM (Power Control Module),which known as the engine bay fuse box,as this is the unit that connect the power between the BSI and the engine components.
#10: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:02 am ---- Okey dokey. Thanks for your response. I'll update in due course then.
#11: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:49 am ----
Timon2210 wrote:
You need to replace the PCM (Power Control Module),which known as the engine bay fuse box,as this is the unit that connect the power between the BSI and the engine components.
Before I spend more money than the car is worth on having the BSI replaced, can you tell me why you think that is the solution to my problem please?
#12: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:32 am ---- Update:
Not being one to give in, I decided to try a few things before even contemplating a PCM (BSI) replacement.
To my mind, the fact that my speedo had stopped working had to be a strong contender for the rest of my woes. So, wormed my way down to the VSS and unplugged the connector. This was badly contaminated with oil. I sprayed all contacts with contact cleaner to wash away the oil and hopefully, restore a reliable connection.
For good measure, I took off the coil pack and cleaned all contacts; removed the injectors and fuel rail and cleaned all connectors; removed PCB from BSI and cleaned all connectors, inspected tracks and components for signs of damage, remade the earth connection, and cleaned whole of PCB. Refitted everything in its place, reconnected battery and did a BSI reset.
So, now for the test drive....
Well, went for a reasonable length drive and gave it a bit of welly and brought her up to running temp. No problems to report. Ran very nicely, speedo now working again and no warning beeps or lights, and no cutting out. I have everything crossed now that the problem is solved.
For the record, I believe that it is the VSS that was behind all of this. I have the common oil leaking from head gasket problem and think it is simply a matter of oil ingress in the VSS connector causing bad data to be sent to the ECU. This in turn trips the engine cut off and registers the DTC Codes P0350, P0200, and P0500.
Last time I did the same test drive (a bit shorter actually), I had the engine cut out about 3 times and the full set if codes listed previously registered. I hope that's it for now, but I'll update if I get any recurrence or further faults.
Cheers Last edited by CliffordGarrett on Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:56 pm; edited 2 times in total
#13: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: Sim, Location: West CountryPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:33 pm ---- Praiseworthy perseverance!
To just clear the air - BSI (built-in systems interface, deals with driver's information, visuals and so on) is next to the steering column above footwell. BCI - is not BSI
PCM is engine fusebox, passenger side under the bonnet, shouldn't be expensive from scrappy if one needs a replacement
Engine ECU (deals with fuel injection and other important bits) is in engine bay driver's side.
#14: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:50 pm ---- Yep, quite right. Getting my acronyms muddled. I meant BSI of course.
#15: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: CliffordGarrett, Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:46 am ----
CliffordGarrett wrote:
Update:
For the record, I believe that it is the VSS that was behind all of this. I have the common oil leaking from head gasket problem and think it is simply a matter of oil ingress in the VSS connector causing bad data to be sent to the ECU. This in turn trips the engine cut off and registers the DTC Codes P0350, P0200, and P0500.
Last time I did the same test drive (a bit shorter actually), I had the engine cut out about 3 times and the full set if codes listed previously registered. I hope that's it for now, but I'll update if I get any recurrence or further faults.
Cheers
Seems I was talking a load of old .....
i have lost speedo/odometer again. Not checked sensor yet but hopefully, it will be the cause. On the positive side, the engine has not cut out since. I have to conclude that the cutting out was related to the coil pack and injectors, or it was clleaning up the BSI? Of course, I may yet discover different but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
#16: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: sloposse, Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:36 am ---- It will be coincidence that functions are working again now that you have disturbed some bad wiring along the way, which will go bad again soon, as in the speed sensor. Might be worth removing the speed sensor housing to inspect the plastic drive gear inside, its pretty cheap to replace.
By housing I mean the metal housing that fits around the driveshaft held on by 3 10/11mm bolts, make sure you drain the oil first!
A non working speed sensor will throw up abs fault, airbag fault, non working roof if its a convertible, and even an aircon fault as they are all dependant on its data to determine how to operate correctly.
It will also make the interior light flash as you drive if its set to come on when you open the doors.
So if you have none of the above (presuming you have any of the above options) the fault may lie elsewhere
#17: Re: Engine shutdown - cutting out Author: cubicvault, Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:21 pm ---- Hi Clifford, i have the same problem engine cutting out. Can u please let me know what VSS is and where is it located so i can get it cleaned. thanks.
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