I have a problem with my 2006 206 hdi 1.4 hatchback.
The car wouldn't start anymore.
OBD reader says there is a camshaft sensor problem.
Tried a new camshaft sensor, crankshaft sensor and replaced the timing belt this morning.
No luck, same problem.
Same errorcode, Camshaft sensor.
Tried to delete the code but it pops right back up when it is deleted (even before trying to restart).
Timing in between the sensors is right according to my obd reader.
So do I need to replace the wiring, ECU?
Any other problems I need to look at?
Thanks in advance!
Jeroen
#2: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:50 pm ---- If it's not the sensor it could be the wiring.
#3: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:48 pm ---- You need to check the wiring from the plug back to the ECU,and make sure it's good,if not you need to fix the broken or cut wire,as deleting the error and coming back right away means it's not able to delete it,and you tried a new sensor and same problem,so must be wiring,if not,then ECU need to be fixed.
You need to check the wiring from the plug back to the ECU,and make sure it's good,if not you need to fix the broken or cut wire,as deleting the error and coming back right away means it's not able to delete it,and you tried a new sensor and same problem,so must be wiring,if not,then ECU need to be fixed.
I'm going to check all the wiring tonight.
When cranking, my obd software says crank and cam sensor timing is ok, so it must get some signal.
The sensor has 3 wires, green, purple and white.
With ignition on, green wire has 0V, purple wire has 12V, and white wire has 5V.
Error code:
P0344: camshaft position sensor circuit intermitting.
#6: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: southwestchap, Location: DevonPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:05 pm ---- measure the voltage when cranking.
#7: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:39 pm ---- What are you using to read it? My 2002 broke down recently and among the codes were one for the crank sensor (which is was!) and another for my clutch switch (which it doesn't have!).
Unless it is a real match for Peugeot it could be leading you up the garden path ..
#8: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:14 pm ---- Needs scanning with Peugeot Planet else your just p**sing in to the wind.
Be interesting to know what the fuel pressure is during cranking.
#9: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:38 pm ---- Due to this being the 1.4 hdi, I am going to say take a look at the fuel lines, especially where they come in around the air filter. None common problem on these to cause air leaks into the fuel lines from rubbing.
Will check one last time for problems tomorrow, fuel could be the problem but I doubt it.
Thanks for the suggestions!
#11: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:22 am ---- I hope you keep this post alive,as it will help other members in the future,any updates?
#12: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: JeroenB, Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:11 pm ---- Fuel is flowing through the small hand pump when cranking, could there be a hole in the return line?
The car starts with start pilot, So no mechanical damage.
The only thing that I haven't tried according to the program Autodata is change the ecu.
I will try find one locally and test it on the car.
Would the tension on the timing belt matter?
When mounted, I could turn it about 45 degrees between crank and camshaft.
#13: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: JeroenB, Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:19 pm ---- So I checked the fuel lines again and after sitting for 2 days the line where you can see through had no fuel in it.
When I pumped the balloon, I saw fuel going through the line. Is this normal?
All the fuel lines where replaced 2-3 years ago, removed the airbox to check everything but all was fine.
Anywhere to manually check for fuel pressure?
Be warned this is a common rail diesel fuel system & the pressures inside the fuel lines will easily damage / injure a human.
Unless your trained / skilled in common rail diesel fuel systems leave the high pressure side of the system well alone!
Plug Peugeot Planet in, you will be able to see the fuel pressure readings.
#15: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: JeroenB, Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:14 am ---- So I plugged my Delphi obd reader back in and took a closer look at the live data.
When cranking I have no fuel pressure, stays at 0 bar, this peugeot 206 (2006 hdi 1.4) doesn't have a pump in the tank I've read.
The injectors are only activated by the ecu once the pressure reaches a certain threshold?
I guess it is best to go to a garage and let them have a look at the high pressure fuel lines and fuel pump.
As I said all the fuel lines were replaced 3 years ago with a new primer pump.
No visible fuel leaks, damage to the lines. Yesterday I used the primer pump and saw air in the system, only after like 5 pumps I saw fuel flowing through.
#16: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:55 pm ---- Are you sure on no fuel pump in tank?
#17: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: JeroenB, Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:23 pm ---- Fuel pump is driven by the timing belt.
No pressure on the high pressure line, could this be the valve? Sensor has 2 connectors 3v and 12v.
Are these the right values? Can't seem to find confirmation.
I think I cant wipe the errorcodes, new errorcode pops up from when I disconected the airbox, tried to delete codes, no luck.
I can use my Delphi to test some components, like the fuel valve, but no response also.
Is there a reason why I can't access the ecu, wipe it?
Tried to look for peugeot planet, does anyone have a link where to get it for Windows?
Thanks,
Jeroen
#18: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:55 am ---- Peugeot Planet / Diagbox software is easy to find on the internet BUT without the Lexia interface the software is useless.
#19: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: JeroenB, Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:18 am ---- So after letting the peugi sit for a while I looked at it again.
Tried other OBD software and thats also not able to wipe the fault codes.
(like air flow meter, fuel volume meter that I disconnected before)
I can diagnose module except for the "EOBD" module, the program says it isn't responding.
Could this be because the car is in ECO mode?
Jeroen
#20: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:50 pm ---- according to what you said,you have air enter the system,and air block will cause a no starter engine,so you need to know where the air enter the system.
#21: Re: 2006 1.4 hdi won't start Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:40 pm ----
JeroenB wrote:
I can diagnose module except for the "EOBD" module, the program says it isn't responding.
Could this be because the car is in ECO mode?
Jeroen
Sounds like the immobiliser is active which would block access to the engine ecu which is why it wont respond to being probed by diagnostic tools.
Global scan on Peugeot Planet is the next step forward & see what faults are reported / stored.
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