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#1: 206 PAS Pump Whining - NOT! Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:52 am
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Hello, I'm struggling to find a replacement power steering pump for the wife's 206. It's a 1.4i, petrol, non abs, year 2000. Hoping to pay around £60-75 for a recon unit.

These are the details on the pump:

PA 66-GF33
P/N 2607 9813

2606 4217
96314 11580

I've emailed a couple of eBay sellers but nobody has come back. A picture of the existing pump:

 


 


Has anyone any idea on a replacement?

Many thanks

Last edited by clicon357 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:20 am; edited 1 time in total

#2: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: gazza82, Location: South Bucks PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:26 pm
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www.onlinecarparts.co....58711.html
Last edited by gazza82 on Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:59 pm; edited 2 times in total

#3: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:36 pm
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gazza82 wrote:
https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/kamoka-13858711.html

Thanks very much.

#4: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: gazza82, Location: South Bucks PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:59 pm
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or tried these guys?

www.ebay.co.uk/usr/the...7675.l2559

#5: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:53 pm
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gazza82 wrote:
or tried these guys?

www.ebay.co.uk/usr/the...47675.l255 9

Thanks. Same place as where I went in the end. Rang the bloke, v.helpful. Fingers crossed.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peu...1402235690

#6: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:30 pm
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Thanks all. A few quid spent now. Circa £200. Radiator, pas pump, two new drive shafts and seals. Plan to give to the lad as his first car. Bodywork is rot free is the main reason. Plus he'll be doing most of the work.

#7: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:58 pm
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Just an update. Replaced the pas pump today. This was done to cure a whining noise that changed pitch when you turned the steering wheel. Has made no difference whatsoever!

#8: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:20 pm
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Osf drive shaft today, it put up a fight but we won! Also did the wishbone as the boot was starting to split. Track rod end too whilst I was there as the hex socket on the end of the tapered bolt rounded off.


Then pullies 58 and 60. Tbh the ones I took off didn't seem too bad.


Fired her up hoping I'd cured the longstanding "whine".


Nope!

#9: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:38 pm
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Have you checked the return pipe to the pump/reservoir for cracks/splits. Even a small one in the return line that doesn't let fluid out can allow air in causing a whine. Otherwise, I'm not sure... Maybe a kink/dent in one of the hard lines could be straining the pump more than normal?

#10: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:44 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
Have you checked the return pipe to the pump/reservoir for cracks/splits. Even a small one in the return line that doesn't let fluid out can allow air in causing a whine. Otherwise, I'm not sure... Maybe a kink/dent in one of the hard lines could be straining the pump more than normal?

Started off way back by changing the PAS pump thinking that was the cause of the noise. Changed the fluid too. Made no difference. Tonight I noted that if with the car idling on the drive I turn to full lock left or right the whine stops pretty much. Back the wheel off by even a tad and it whines again.



Would like to get to the bottom of it! Only things I haven't done are the alternator (59) and AC pulley (62). Rack maybe?

#11: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:18 pm
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When idling it sounds like this with an underlying whine. Rev it and the whine varies:

flic.kr/p/2ie88Vk

When idling, if you spray around the PAS pump with water which has the alternator and ac compressor below, the whine stops:

flic.kr/p/2ie86gh

As it dries out (I guess) the whine builds back up, squeals a bit then goes back to the usual constant whine:

flic.kr/p/2ie83TG

If I then turn the wheel to full lock the whine stops but as it happens there's a little squeal and a "pshhh" noise. At 13 secs in I reach full left lock and jiggle it bit on and off. Then I put it on full right lock at 27 secs in and do the same:

flic.kr/p/2iebmZE

Any ideas? I'd love to cure this noise once and for all.

#12: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:10 am
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That, to me at least, sounds like your alternator bearings are droning. Doesn't sound like a PAS whine really, it's probably just affected by the steering because the alternator is getting tight and turning the steering presents an extra load on the belt that quietens down the resonance.

The reason it stops eventually with spraying water is, I think, that the belt is effectively "aquaplaning" over the tightest pulley. I'd wager if you put a paint mark on the alternator pulley so you can see it spin easier and then did the test again you'd see the alternator slow/stop as the drone goes away. (might be a good idea to mark the other pulleys as well in case it's one of those but I really feel that's the alternator)
By the way, I'd be careful spraying water in the strut top/scuttle area there as your heater intake (pollen filter) is up under there and you could end up with wet floors and steaming up issues.

Hope this helps.

#13: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:52 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
That, to me at least, sounds like your alternator bearings are droning. Doesn't sound like a PAS whine really, it's probably just affected by the steering because the alternator is getting tight and turning the steering presents an extra load on the belt that quietens down the resonance.

The reason it stops eventually with spraying water is, I think, that the belt is effectively "aquaplaning" over the tightest pulley. I'd wager if you put a paint mark on the alternator pulley so you can see it spin easier and then did the test again you'd see the alternator slow/stop as the drone goes away. (might be a good idea to mark the other pulleys as well in case it's one of those but I really feel that's the alternator)
By the way, I'd be careful spraying water in the strut top/scuttle area there as your heater intake (pollen filter) is up under there and you could end up with wet floors and steaming up issues.

Hope this helps.

Tried the paint trick on the alternator and PAS pullies. No sign of them slowing / stopping. However...the AC pulley, (62) appears stationary:


flic.kr/p/2ifyfgp

In this next pic you can see the AC pulley, (yes I know the belt is off). With the belt on and the engine running the AC pulley just sits and looks like this. Should the triangular plate rotate?


flic.kr/p/2ifxUiC

#14: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:46 pm
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The centre part of the AC pulley only rotates when the AC is active (even then it cuts in/out as needed) so may just be that.

If the AC works, do you notice any change in the sound when it does it's in/out routine?

#15: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:23 am
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ekjdm14 wrote:
The centre part of the AC pulley only rotates when the AC is active (even then it cuts in/out as needed) so may just be that.

If the AC works, do you notice any change in the sound when it does it's in/out routine?

Thanks. Someone else said it should pull in and rotate when you press the AC button on the dash. It doesn't. I'll check I'm getting 12V to it for a start.

Not overly fussed having AC tbh. I wonder though if at the mo its freewheeling but on a worn bearing?

#16: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:24 am
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Yes the AC is a pretty common failure point partly due to age and lack of use (which dries the seals out, the gas then escapes) and the condenser is quite vulnerable to stone damage at the front of the car so it's quite likely not working. The system won't power up the compressor if there's insufficient gas, to save damage, although there is a possibility of the electrical side of the clutch being faulty too.

If the outer pulley is spinning freely and quietly on the inner then it's unlikely to be the source of the noise, this is really bugging me now as it's one of those faults that you really need to look at first-hand to diagnose properly & I'd hate to advise replacing something only for it not to cure the noise!

I know you've changed quite a few parts already (and presumably tested with the belt off & the noise is gone?) but on the replacement parts have you spun the bearings by hand and listened for any hint of being less than buttery smooth/having any kind of play in them? Obviously the PAS pump itself won't spin as easily but should still feel smooth. And have you checked/replaced the crank pulley too? (rusty stains around the rubber damper part indicate failure).

Final thought, is the belt a good quality new-ish one? the squeaking on full lock indicates slight slippage of the belt & that shouldn't be happening with a good belt so may indicate either worn/nasty belt, weak tensioner, or that (more my thoughts at this point) something it's driving is tighter than it should be.

#17: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:16 pm
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@ekjdm14, thanks for that. I've not run it with the belt off but will try and put it on the two post ramp at the weekend with a paint mark on each pulley and a strong light to maybe see what's going on. Also picked up a new Gates 1565mm belt tonight. I see from my receipts I last changed the belt on 15 Dec 2017. Didn't write the mileage down though! Car has now done 126,000 miles so that belts been on for about 16,000 miles.

#18: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: gazza82, Location: South Bucks PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:45 am
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16k for a belt is nothing .. I would look at the tensioner ... they do fail and wear ...

#19: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:19 am
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gazza82 wrote:
16k for a belt is nothing .. I would look at the tensioner ... they do fail and wear ...

I'm hoping not, well expensive I think. £150 on Eurocarparts rings a bell, is why I only replaced the tensioner pulley.

In theory then if I run the car and CAREFULLY increase the tension on the tensioner it might help diagnosing?

#20: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:09 am
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Now, I can't remember for sure but isn't it possible to replace just the pulley part of the tensioner? £150 is a lot and if it's just the bearing that's bad (and it really, really sounds like bearing drone to me) then it'd be more economical to replace just that, if possible.

If you're going to be poking around the area with the engine running (not advisable, but something I might consider in your position if I'm honest) then I would probably focus more on feeling for a vibration coming from one of the pulleys. Also the issue may show up in the form of heat if it's a bearing that's bad, from a cold start if one pulley gets much warmer quicker than all the rest I'd focus down on that.

Just watch those fingers! (and goes without saying, short sleeve job, no rings/bracelets etc)

#21: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:10 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
Now, I can't remember for sure but isn't it possible to replace just the pulley part of the tensioner? £150 is a lot and if it's just the bearing that's bad (and it really, really sounds like bearing drone to me) then it'd be more economical to replace just that, if possible.

If you're going to be poking around the area with the engine running (not advisable, but something I might consider in your position if I'm honest) then I would probably focus more on feeling for a vibration coming from one of the pulleys. Also the issue may show up in the form of heat if it's a bearing that's bad, from a cold start if one pulley gets much warmer quicker than all the rest I'd focus down on that.

Just watch those fingers! (and goes without saying, short sleeve job, no rings/bracelets etc)

I have replaced just the roller on the tensioner. Made no difference.

No time to try today due to other issues but tomorrow then I will:

1) White mark all pullies

2) Take the belt off and run. See if noise goes away.

3) Put back old belt. Try adding tension via square drive in tensioner and see if noise goes away.

4) Soak belt, noise should stop, see which pulley is slowing(?) Maybe pinpoint the issue that way.

5) Put new belt on and run.

#22: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: gazza82, Location: South Bucks PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:15 pm
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clicon357 wrote:
gazza82 wrote:
16k for a belt is nothing .. I would look at the tensioner ... they do fail and wear ...

I'm hoping not, well expensive I think. £150 on Eurocarparts rings a bell, is why I only replaced the tensioner pulley.

In theory then if I run the car and CAREFULLY increase the tension on the tensioner it might help diagnosing?

for a tensioner??? Sure that wasn't a typo??? I'd even call a Pug dealer as I've found some parts are cheaper that ECP, GSF, etc ..

#23: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:22 am
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gazza82 wrote:
clicon357 wrote:
gazza82 wrote:
16k for a belt is nothing .. I would look at the tensioner ... they do fail and wear ...

I'm hoping not, well expensive I think. £150 on Eurocarparts rings a bell, is why I only replaced the tensioner pulley.

In theory then if I run the car and CAREFULLY increase the tension on the tensioner it might help diagnosing?

for a tensioner??? Sure that wasn't a typo??? I'd even call a Pug dealer as I've found some parts are cheaper that ECP, GSF, etc ..

No typo. Using the current discount code brings it down to £94.24 which still seems a lot. Pity you can't just get a new spring!

#24: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:20 pm
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Loose tensioner very unlikely to cause this kind of sound, much more likely if it were over tight so I would really not suspect the tensioner itself at this stage (and certainly not at those prices!)

#25: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:34 pm
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Some progress methinks! Leaning towards the AC clutch being the source of the noise. Video clips then:

Belt removed no annoying whine:

flic.kr/p/2ih8XAa

Original belt back on, it whines, if you reduce the tension it quietens I think:

flic.kr/p/2ih8WXX

All pullies display no wobble EXCEPT the AC pulley!

flic.kr/p/2ih6toE

#26: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:28 pm
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Yes that AC pulley sounds rough and gritty just spinning it by hand & the noise getting quieter with reduced tension again points squarely at a bearing noise. Perhaps the water thing was a red-herring and was just enough water getting into the bearing to shut it up?

Either way I think the way forward is to either replace the AC pulley bearing or (if the AC is dead and you have no intention of reviving it) then I think it should be possible to get a shorter, non-AC, belt and bypass the compressor.

#27: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:14 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
Yes that AC pulley sounds rough and gritty just spinning it by hand & the noise getting quieter with reduced tension again points squarely at a bearing noise. Perhaps the water thing was a red-herring and was just enough water getting into the bearing to shut it up?

Either way I think the way forward is to either replace the AC pulley bearing or (if the AC is dead and you have no intention of reviving it) then I think it should be possible to get a shorter, non-AC, belt and bypass the compressor.

New, shorter belt sounds good! I'm just trying to find what length it is for a non AC belt and whether the configuration is the same / whether there's an extra idler.

Debating partially stripping the AC clutch and replacing the bearing.

#28: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:44 pm
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If you're able to replace the bearing I feel that'd be the preferable option, not sure on the extra idler I'll try and pull up some pics and see what both setups look like & get back on that.

The AC clutch shouldn't be too awful to strip, but might need a puller to remove the old bearing.

EDIT- my inexperience with the PSA website has left me unable to pull up pics from there, but from the general ones on Google it does look like the non-AC version has an extra idler pulley & the tensioner itself looks to be different also, so definitely looks preferable to replace the bearing if possible.

If you really struggle, I have an AC compressor from a 1.4HDi that I stripped recently & could post that your way for the cost of postage, probably less than £10 through Hermes but I think you'll manage. At least it seems the noise has been pinpointed finally! (Even if it isn't the cause, and I believe it is, that pulley ain't right and needs sorting).

#29: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:16 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
If you're able to replace the bearing I feel that'd be the preferable option, not sure on the extra idler I'll try and pull up some pics and see what both setups look like & get back on that.

The AC clutch shouldn't be too awful to strip, but might need a puller to remove the old bearing.

EDIT- my inexperience with the PSA website has left me unable to pull up pics from there, but from the general ones on Google it does look like the non-AC version has an extra idler pulley & the tensioner itself looks to be different also, so definitely looks preferable to replace the bearing if possible.

If you really struggle, I have an AC compressor from a 1.4HDi that I stripped recently & could post that your way for the cost of postage, probably less than £10 through Hermes but I think you'll manage. At least it seems the noise has been pinpointed finally! (Even if it isn't the cause, and I believe it is, that pulley ain't right and needs sorting).

That's very kind of you.

Wishing now I'd cleaned up & taken the model off the compressor so as to get the right bearing!

I've watched a few YouTube videos on how to do it so will likely give it a go.

#30: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:56 pm
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The model number wouldn't be much help with the bearing I suspect, the only parts PSA ever sold were either the complete compressor with clutch or the clutch/pulley/bearing as a unit. Your best shot is stripping the pulley off and looking for the number stamped onto the bearing itself either on the outer race or the shielding, format would be something like 6008ZZ or similar (not sure the exact number but should comply with the basic format, the numbers relate to size and the letters relate to sealing method). Ebay or local bearing factor should be able to help for under a tenner.

If you need the car driveable until you have the bearing let me know and i'll pop the one I have apart and get the bearing number for you.

#31: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:16 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
The model number wouldn't be much help with the bearing I suspect, the only parts PSA ever sold were either the complete compressor with clutch or the clutch/pulley/bearing as a unit. Your best shot is stripping the pulley off and looking for the number stamped onto the bearing itself either on the outer race or the shielding, format would be something like 6008ZZ or similar (not sure the exact number but should comply with the basic format, the numbers relate to size and the letters relate to sealing method). Ebay or local bearing factor should be able to help for under a tenner.

If you need the car driveable until you have the bearing let me know and i'll pop the one I have apart and get the bearing number for you.

Wow, that's really kind of you! Generally yes the car has to be back up and running Monday morning for the school run. To have a bearing ready for a Saturday would be good. If it's no trouble to "pop" apart though sure it's more complicated than that.

#32: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:34 am
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In the big scheme of things it's no trouble lol, currently in the process of rebuilding our '06 Verve after it was hit by a drunk driver. That's required the rear beam to be replaced wholesale (the subframe was tweaked and the trailing arm bearing sheared clean off) and currently sat with the rear quarter panel cut out and a replacement waiting in the garage till I get a chance to fit and weld it lol.

I'll have a shufty at it when I go out for a cigarette shortly, should just be a centre bolt, then maybe 3 holding the electrical coil part and the actual pulleys probably on a taper so tap 'em loose. Will get back when I've had a look, and will try and upload some pics too.

#33: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:54 am
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That went well, pulley is off! Literally undo the centre nut (normal thread) and the clutch part is on a spline, just lifts off & then there's a circlip holding the main pulley & bearing on (toughest part as couldn't find circlip pliers, I just dug it out with a small screwdriver!).

Bearing number is a strange one to me, 35BD219DUK but they seem to have them for about 6 quid on ebay. (looking closer I might spend £20 or so on a decent SKF of NSK rather than a china special) Given how easy it is to check though I'd have a quick look at your compressor to ensure its the same one.

Main issue with actually replacing it is getting the old bearing out of the pulley, I'd probably find a socket or bit of strong tube that fits on the outer race of the bearing & then drift the old one out, to fit the new one without a press I'd want to draw it in squarely using something solid like a bit of 3/8" plate with a hole drilled in, socket or tube on outer race and some threaded rod or a long bolt & sandwich the lot together, tighten the bolt until the bearing is sat where the original one started from. I'll grab photos if you need anything clarified.

#34: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:50 am
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ekjdm14 wrote:
That went well, pulley is off! Literally undo the centre nut (normal thread) and the clutch part is on a spline, just lifts off & then there's a circlip holding the main pulley & bearing on (toughest part as couldn't find circlip pliers, I just dug it out with a small screwdriver!).

Bearing number is a strange one to me, 35BD219DUK but they seem to have them for about 6 quid on ebay. (looking closer I might spend £20 or so on a decent SKF of NSK rather than a china special) Given how easy it is to check though I'd have a quick look at your compressor to ensure its the same one.

Main issue with actually replacing it is getting the old bearing out of the pulley, I'd probably find a socket or bit of strong tube that fits on the outer race of the bearing & then drift the old one out, to fit the new one without a press I'd want to draw it in squarely using something solid like a bit of 3/8" plate with a hole drilled in, socket or tube on outer race and some threaded rod or a long bolt & sandwich the lot together, tighten the bolt until the bearing is sat where the original one started from. I'll grab photos if you need anything clarified.

Thanks a million. I've access to a press so that shouldn't be an issue. Based on this I'll strip it first and take a look at the number.

#35: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:57 am
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Looking last night, down through the open bonnet, I reckon I may be able to get the AC pulley off with the pump in situ once the car is up on the 2 poster. If that is mine comes off as easily as @ekjdm14's did.....which, knowing my luck it won't but got to be worth a try!

Won't be able to try for a couple of weeks probably (not my lift) but will report back when I do.

Cheers

#36: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:47 am
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I have a feeling it'll be OK, the car my spare compressor is off was a rotter & the nut looked like it'd be a swine but actually came off without a fight. Under the clutch part is pretty well shielded so there's only likely to be friction dust to hinder you with the circlip.

I think it probably would come off with the pump in-situ, and maybe easier too since mine was rolling round on the floor! (as an idea how corroded the donor car was, the bolts holding the comp onto the engine in this case nearly snapped as I undid them & I nearly gave up removing it...) Glad I persevered now as it may have been useful Smile

#37: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:26 am
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Ekjdm14, on the AC, after you'd removed the clutch then the big circlip, did the pulley with bearing in just slide off or did you need a puller? Cheers.

#38: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:02 pm
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Apologies for the late reply, it did come off pretty easily i.e. not a press fit although I did have to give it a sharp tap with a copper mallet before it moved.

#39: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:21 pm
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Well it looks the whining noise is CURED!!!

Replaced the bearing. The old NSK one that came out:

flic.kr/p/2iwiFrs

14mm socket to undo. Tried a sharp tap on the ratchet but had to wedge the outer bit of the clutch as shown.

flic.kr/p/2iwjMfW

Comes off the spline easy enough:

flic.kr/p/2iwiCfT

Little washer behind needs to go back on:

flic.kr/p/2iwiCCb

I had to use a gear puller on the ribbed pulley to get it and the old bearing off. Couldn't find the medium and large puller, only the small and that wouldn't fit. In the end used an old Enerpac puller that I had to mod a bit with the grinder.

flic.kr/p/2iwzjFu

Tbh I just undid the 4 bolts (13mm socket) holding the compressor on and let it hang on the pipes as I couldn't get the puller on with the pump in situ.


Then a hydraulic press to push the old bearing out. You press from the side in the last picture. One weird thing is the bearing is retained by a shoulder on the side you press it out from and little pressed / crimped nibs on the back. As you push the bearing out you can't help but shear these nibs off. Once the bearing was back in I attempted to recreate these nibs with a hammer and punch. Should have taken a photo.

Used the hydraulic press again to push new bearing back in. It then went back onto the compressor shaft easy enough using a suitable size socket and hammer.

I say it's cured. I've not personally road tested it yet. Just as I was putting the wheel back on SWMBO came for my car key to go shopping so I just gave her hers and she took the Pug. Certainly the whine has gone. Should make it easier to hear the other noises now!

Thanks to all who helped on this.

Btw, does this forum allow uploading direct of pics rather than links?

Last edited by clicon357 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:53 am; edited 4 times in total

#40: Re: 206 PAS Pump Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:15 pm
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Just driven it. Sounds miles better. Whine gone 100%.

#41: Re: 206 PAS Pump Whining - NOT! Author: ekjdm14, Location: Cheshire PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:11 pm
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Brilliant, glad that you got to the bottom of it now Smile On the photos, if you go into the full reply box (rather than the quick reply box, just hit "preview" once you've typed a word or two.) Then, underneath the Bold, italic and underline buttons there's 3 methods to upload images, I use the middle one "upload image or photo from camera" and I can then select the photo on my computer & upload it.

#42: Re: 206 PAS Pump Whining - NOT! Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:33 pm
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ekjdm14 wrote:
Brilliant, glad that you got to the bottom of it now Smile On the photos, if you go into the full reply box (rather than the quick reply box, just hit "preview" once you've typed a word or two.) Then, underneath the Bold, italic and underline buttons there's 3 methods to upload images, I use the middle one "upload image or photo from camera" and I can then select the photo on my computer & upload it.

Thanks. MOT to get through Monday! Confused

#43: Re: 206 PAS Pump Whining - NOT! Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:42 am
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I spoke too soon on this noise! Whilst the loud whine / drone has gone there's now an underlying squeak/fluttering noise. I'm sure it's coming from the AC piulley / clutch I just replaced the bearing on. Not sure what I've done wrong but I need to strip it out again. Short video clip:

flic.kr/p/2izGKT9

All I can think is I somehow bent the clutch part when I wedged it with the bfo flat blade screwdriver in order to strip it.


 


Saying that the pulley looks to be running eccentric but I'm sure the bearing pushed on square!

#44: Re: 206 PAS Pump Whining - NOT! Author: clicon357, Location: Kent PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:54 am
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Bit of an update and a faux pas on my part!

I cured the whining due to the old bearing. BUT...I ended up with a squeak.

What I'd done was managed to bend / deform the grooved pulley so it wasn't concentric to the centre bit of it that holds the bearing. Had to strip the compressor off again and press things back into shape on the 20T press. It really is actuallly properly quiet now.



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