#1: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: Duckworth87, Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:23 pm ---- Don't know how to put pics on but if anyone can help I'll put some up.
Currently on 109000 miles and seems to be going strong. Not sure how much else I have planned for it but a bit more power would be good as the car cost me nothing to buy.
So far I have decatted it, lowered 60mm at the front, second hand axle I think is about 100mm probably, drives s**t but until that axle needs replacing it'll stay how it is. Probably do a GTi rear beam, need to find out if the GTi handbrake cables will work on a five door. 15" 207 alloys which were cheap so sprayed them black, want Nimrod's ideally but these will do for the time being. fresh service, inner and outer track rod ends, and a GTi fuel cap. Wouldn't mind cc front wings and bumper but can't find any worth buying cheap enough.
Anyone got any pointers how to do an induction kit, wouldn't mind doing one of them for a laugh too.
#2: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: Duckworth87, Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:22 pm ---- Just bought a manual boost controller and boost guage. Not sure how I'm going to plumb in the boost guage yet as it needs a t piece off the inlet from what I've read but the controller looks easy enough. Does anyone know the max boost that's safe for a 1.4hdi?
#3: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: ekjdm14, Location: CheshirePosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:31 pm ---- To be fair, there's little point winding the boost up on these, having no intercooler for a start & even with the boost up they don't add enough extra fuel to make it worthwhile IMO.
For what it's worth, our 1.4HDi has been running for a couple of years with the wastegate rod tightened fully & I even blanked off the WG actuator pipe for a while but makes sod all real world difference.
Not sure, but have heard from others here that if you start making more power with one of these (more boost plus a proper remap (not a plastic "chip tune" or ebay file) to add fuel, ideally get rid of EGR and add intercooler too) the first thing to suffer is supposedly the gearbox.
TBF I'd like to see a proper build and remap on one of these little engines, always felt the standard power (about 70bhp) was nowhere near the engine's potential
#4: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:50 am ---- These engines were a co-design with Ford so I don't know if there is anything in that market for these ..
I'd also run a few searches on this forum as I seem to remember owners trying out a few things but don't ever remember seeing any really positive results ..
Best thing I did was to bin the crappy steels and 165 tyres and fit some 14" Nimrods and 195/60s which helped cornering and cruising (I was doing 100 miles a day round-trip to work mainly on M40) and made it look nice with Crystal headlamps and Phase 2 rears (mine is a bottom of the pile Style!).
Clearing the contents of the cat, after it collapsed, hasn't really made that much difference to performance ...
#5: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:58 am ---- Maybe start here?
#6: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: Duckworth87, Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:24 pm ---- EGR blank, Manual boost adjuster and guage turned up today. Will be fitting in the next couple days, anyone know what boost is safe for the standard turbo? Also looking at buying a code reader to turn off the engine management light once the egr blank is fitted, will the light come back on or does the EGR system have to be erased from the ECU?
#7: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: ekjdm14, Location: CheshirePosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:19 pm ---- What year is the car? Our's is an '02 and it doesn't know the EGR is blanked. All we've done is leave the vacuum solenoid valve connected electrically & blocked the pipe from the vac pump. Later ones might differ but it's never caused us a problem.
What's your budget for a code reader? My advice on that would be either stay cheap n cheerful (bottom end Launch C-Reader) that'll cover most other cars too but only give you basic fault clearing on the pug or if you're planning on spending more than £25-30 then look into buying a knockoff PP2000/Lexia setup that's manufacturer specific to Peugeot/Citroen and can do loads more useful stuff on multiplexed cars, actuator tests, setting preferences like running lights/rear wipe on reverse/adding front fogs where there were none, right down to how bright you want the stereo to light up at night.
Requires a bit more outlay initially & a good bit of reading up to do more complex software changes, but if you're sticking with French motors for the forseeable it can be worth it's weight in gold, can diagnose the engine codes like the cheapie but more accurate, plus all the other "brains" in the car (ABS, Alarm, BSI, Airbag system, MFDisplay, Stereo etc) think my setup cost about £60 all in but that includes buying a dedicated laptop to run it on (these will be a lot cheaper/free these days, as they only have to be running XP or Win7 32 bit). There's some good guides and info on this kit on the FCF (link in my sig) as well as a discount code for a company over here that sells them and actually supports them unlike the Chinese ones where you take your own chances.
#8: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:06 am ---- Planet / Lexia OR nowadays Diagbox is worthwhile having if your sticking to PSA products or just want to get more involved with diagnosing / tinkering with your 206.
You can get the kit which will likely pay for itself if you need to diagnose something like an ABS or airbag fault on your 206.
Also good for earning a beer or two VIN coding radios / doing global scans for friends / colleagues etc.
#9: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: ekjdm14, Location: CheshirePosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:22 pm ---- Diagbox! That's the name that escaped me lol. Ours has more than paid for itself sorting the cooling fans and throttle body on the 180 let alone all the other times we've used it.
#10: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: Duckworth87, Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:40 pm ----
ekjdm14 wrote:
What year is the car? Our's is an '02 and it doesn't know the EGR is blanked. All we've done is leave the vacuum solenoid valve connected electrically & blocked the pipe from the vac pump. Later ones might differ but it's never caused us a problem.
What's your budget for a code reader?
Mines a '53 plate. Did you use a blanking plate then or literally just block the vac pipe to the pump? I haven't looked at it yet so if I don't have to take too much apart it would be helpful... Be nice if it doesn't recognise the egr is blanked too!
Probably not going to spend a lot, £50 is what I'm looking to spend really, I know I won't be able to pull up live data and test actuators etc but I don't have the need for an expensive unit really. Plus if I need to read other cars it would be handy. Only the Mrs golf as my RS Turbo is ancient and doesn't have 16pin...
#11: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: Duckworth87, Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:47 pm ---- Although I have found a "launch" code reader that can read, erase, live data, evap, O2 sensor test and freeze frame live data, 4.5* reviews from 196 people so can't be terrible. Worth a shot at £20 quid?
#12: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:29 am ---- Is that the Launch CR 3001?
Launch are known to make decent diagnostic equipment - the CR 3001 is for a home mechanic for reading engine fault codes.
Be warned standard EOBD protocol for diesels wasnt mandatory until 2004 so there's a small chance it might not work with your vehicle but it likely will.
#13: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: Duckworth87, Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:13 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Is that the Launch CR 3001?
Launch are known to make decent diagnostic equipment - the CR 3001 is for a home mechanic for reading engine fault codes.
Be warned standard EOBD protocol for diesels wasnt mandatory until 2004 so there's a small chance it might not work with your vehicle but it likely will.
Yes it's the 3001. Looks like a pretty decent code reader for the money...
#14: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:05 pm ---- And some of the important stuff on the 206 is hidden in the BSI ..
#15: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: ekjdm14, Location: CheshirePosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:36 pm ---- Sorry I missed this thread, yes all we did was block off the vacuum pipe to the EGR actuator since we weren't having issues with the valve sticking yet anyway (if you deactivate it before it sticks open you don't need to blank it, if you suspect it's leaking then fit the blanking plate too).
For a budget of £50 I'd say grab the £20 Launch jobbie for now, think that's the same model I got to keep in the glovebox of the 180. IIRC it could see a few things on the '02 HDi but not half as much as on petrol ones or Diagbox. Keep the £30 change aside and add a bit to it here and there until you can get a Diagbox setup. Once you've used PP2000 on your 206 and seen what you can check/change in there you'll never look back.
#16: Re: Daily 1.4 hdi budget build Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:57 am ---- Watch the cheaper diag tools .. they are written for OBD2/OBDII and this is a US spec .. in UK/Europe it's EOBD. If a car was sold in US it had to support OBD2 .. and as far as I am aware the 206 never went there **
And before 2001 there were no real rules .. so car manufacturers used what they want and modified it (Peugeot/Citroen hid a lot in the BSI!). Petrols were converted to EOBD first in late 2001/early 2002 and diesels a couple of years later so from 2004.
It's amazing what some diag tools will tell you .. I've tried a few on my 2002 1.4Hdi and the daughter's old 2001 CC, and I've had different results .. and totally unrelated to the problem. I ended up forking out over £250 on a Sealey unit designed for Peugeot/Citroen and Renault but even that struggles with some other cars even though it has several different standards built-in. (Can't read our Alfa for example!)
And it's not just cheap systems: the son's Clio broke down and the AA diagnostic said it was the "high pressure fuel pump" .. my Sealey pointed to the glow plug relay .. so I tried that first being the cheaper option .. and it was better. But in the end it was actually two dead glow plugs(!) ... and they were diagnosed using the old fashioned multimeter method. I don't know how much the AA paid for they system, but I bet it wasn't £250!
** You'd be hard pressed to get some US car drivers IN a 206!
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