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=ZiAn=

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:16 am

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Location: Slovenia

Thanks Jamie, I'll contact you when the funds will be available if you'll still have it But we need to sort out the mechanical things first before we move onto electronics


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=ZiAn=

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:10 am

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Location: Slovenia

Guys help me out, I need some tehnical help =) Does anybody know the size of the five bearings on the GTi cams? We're wondering if we could fit cams for the GTi into the ew12 engine so could anybody shed some light on the subject please


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Edward

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:19 am

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Do the balancing shafts make the sump deeper than the one on the EW10? Do you want measurements from both 138 cams? I've got some wrapped up in a cupboard upstairs. If you want any measurements let me know. I've also got a Piper 270 degree inlet cam to measure.


	2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible.

Edward

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:55 am

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This is the inlet cam. I've just measured the max lobe diameter and the minimum and the difference is 8.8mm so I think it's a standard cam. I'll have to compare it to one i have in another head which is known to be standard. Anyway, starting at the pulley end of the camshaft, the bearings meaure: 29.96mm, 29.48mm, 28.98mm, 28.43mm, 28mm. Do you want the exhaust cam measurements too?


	2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible.

=ZiAn=

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:28 pm

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Location: Slovenia

Thanks Edward, I really appreciate it. Could you please also measure the exhaust one, though I presume it should be the same. As for the sump we haven't measured it but as far as I can remember it's quite a bit deeper.


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=ZiAn=

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:17 pm

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Location: Slovenia

Let's continue:

Thanks to Edwards measurements we now also know that the GTi cams will fit as the bearings match Wink

All the pistons and cylinders were measured and we came to the conclusion, that the engine is in good condition. There is 0,05mm play between the cylinder walls and piston skirts. there is also no damage visible to the piston ring beds so the engine. We still need to check the main shaft bearings, because we ran out of time yesterday.

This is how the tool for measuring cylinders and pistons looks like:

Dirty four and some other parts:

We've also measured distance between the valves and pistons at TDC. Due to the intake valves the piston cutouts will need to be a bit deeper but the exhaust ones have enough clearance. Max lift with the standard valve springs was also measured and we will need to change them as they would cause coil-bound with the chosen cams at max lift.

JLD Performance


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Lecktorious

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:19 pm

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Location: Scotland

One of very few 'proper' project threads on here.


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Edward

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:29 pm

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Location: In the garage

Just noticed the EW12 head has a big E2 embossed onto the end. The EW10 has E0 on the end of it. Anybody know what the 180 has?


	2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible.

=ZiAn=

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:38 am

Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Slovenia

@Edward, I believe it has a E1 but I'm not sure, It's been a long time since I've seen one. Nicely spotted btw.

Okay let's get you guys up to speed. Not much has happened since last time I posted, but let me just list the stuff.

I bought 16 new hydraulic lifters as they seem to be causing problems for me on the current engine and I didn't want to take any chances with the new one. Also one of the original ones was already broken and two were stuck if I remember correctly.

Also the guys at JLD Performance are putting together a flow bench (for the obvious reason).

All the pistons have been cleaned and the engine block was also scrubbed. So it's all nice and shiny...sort of Smile

And now all the small parts are being bought like main bearings, piston rings, semerings, etc. Then we're moving on to the more expensive parts such as camshafts, springs pulleys.

So I'll keep you updated as much as possible.

Oh and by the way here a pic from a very nice afternoon trip:


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Schumi

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:51 pm

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Location: Istanbul / Turkey

Any update ?


	2005 206 RC RED Bilstein B14 Coilover / Brembo 4 Pot Front 330x28 - Rear 325x8 / Quaife ATB Limited Slip Diff / Janspeed Catback Lot's of CNC machined customs pars.

spike_202

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:01 pm

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Location: West mids

Hay zian how did you fit the 180 speedo to the standard gti? As I wanted to do this?? Thanks rich


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Schumi

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 am

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This gti already multiplexed. So that speedo direct fitment for this car. And nearly impossible to work on preplexed cars.


	2005 206 RC RED Bilstein B14 Coilover / Brembo 4 Pot Front 330x28 - Rear 325x8 / Quaife ATB Limited Slip Diff / Janspeed Catback Lot's of CNC machined customs pars.

spike_202

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:42 pm

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Location: West mids

nice one i didnt realize this was plexd i was just lookin for a bit more range on mine.


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=ZiAn=

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:33 pm

Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 347
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Location: Slovenia

Hey, long time no update There were quite a few changes since the last update, but sadly the engine is still not in Anyway, I will make an update shortly (preferably before new year lol) @spike, as Schumi said its a plexed car so I only had to change the speedo. Don't know how much work would involve to put it in a preplexed one or if it's even possible :/


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Ahoward87

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:34 am

Joined: Jan 13, 2012
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Location: Hertfordshire

This is a great read and some great explanations there. Any more updates mate?


	If life passes you by...... Shift down! 1/4 mile: full interior and sound system. Reaction: .6067 60 Ft: 2.3343 330Ft: 6.6654 1/8 ET: 10.2421 1/8 MPH: 68.70 1000' ET: 13.2334 1/4 ET: 15.9189 1/4 MPH: 86.35

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