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 Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:16 pm |
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Recently got a 206 GTi for using in production car trials. I need to get the suspension raised up as much as possible and will be doing the torsion bars on the rear but need to get the front higher.
Will front springs off a 1.1 or 1.4 fit the Gti? If I can fit these I'll then add some Grayston spring assisters to keep the springs stretched.
Any ideas appreciated.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:44 pm |
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it will fit but why do you have to use the spring off a 1.1/1.4?
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:10 pm |
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more importantly it will handle like a bag of sh*t 
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:49 pm |
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Handling not an issue as its very low speed skill tests. Also disconnecting the rear ARB.
Can i get away with just a spring change or would you say damper as well.?
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:56 pm |
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i don't understand what you want to do and why.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:52 pm |
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Confused.com more info please lol
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:17 pm |
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206 GTI... poverty springs... disconnect the rear ARB...
... that's one screwed up "production" car
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:51 am |
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If it's low speed then why does it matter whether it's low or high?
Also 1.1 springs might end up lower than standard GTi springs because of the extra weight.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:42 am |
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I understand why this seems a daft idea, but the softer springs from lower spec models create an element of 'bounce' on the front which helps to get the car over some of the humps & hills.
The white AX GT and black Saxo VTR in this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNqEvJNolWE have 1.1 front springs and ARB disconnected. More travel in the rear suspension is required so disconnecting ARB helps here.
Another clip here
www.youtube.com/watch?...=endscreen
This clip shows why I need more clearance
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlAAKR-qG3M
Not everybody's cup of tea but intend to do this over winter and then lower it during summer for tarmac autosolos.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:29 am |
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:09 am |
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You need to think this through because if you remove the torsion bars altogether, hitting a bump at the right speed and you will smack the bump stops with the trailing arms - unless you have uprated shocks.
The front springs, I can see the logic...
...but I can't see the logic in a FWD going up a hill in the snow.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:39 am |
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You guys don't understand, and haven't thought to Google, what "production car trials" are.
Why do you need the GTI, the 1.1 or 1.4 would probably do just as good a job?
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:49 am |
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| SinfulDesignCom wrote: |
You need to think this through because if you remove the torsion bars altogether, hitting a bump at the right speed and you will smack the bump stops with the trailing arms - unless you have uprated shocks.
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You cant remove torsion bars! They support the car - never mind when you hit a bump. Torsion bars also hold the traling arms onto the axle tube.
Uprated dampers dont restrict suspension travel either.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:23 am |
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I did once drive an AX GT 20 miles down the M62 with only axle and shocks... Bloody good fun. Nearly killed myself doing it, but fun nonetheless
But joking aside... agreeing with Edward here. Removing the torision bars is a one-way ticket to looking a tit
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:39 am |
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you need longer spring with longer travel dampers....not necessarily softer spring as you will bottom out the suspension
instead of removing the rear ARB, you should remove the front one to give you more road contact as yours aren't RWD....
and you need a clutch type diff as well
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