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 Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:29 pm |
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Is there a point?
At one point is one needed? Is there any gains and benifits? (Apart from cooler oil!)
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:31 pm |
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Id say when the oil is strained to too high temperature, Ie, track days, when the engine gets abused, and needs the oil to an extent to be coolish to maintain its performance.
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:34 pm |
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am i right in thinking the hotter the oil the thiner it becomes and less effective at protecting the engine??
or along them lines
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:40 pm |
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| Mattie® wrote: |
| Id say when the oil is strained to too high temperature, Ie, track days, when the engine gets abused, and needs the oil to an extent to be coolish to maintain its performance. |
Would it need one (or be beneficial) on a mapped and intercooled Diesel (with upped boost) which may be driven hard every now and then?
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:45 pm |
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You can get ones that are thermostat controlled, So in theory wont work untill you do drive it hard and the oil reaching a certain temp will activate, and cooling the oil back to below the setting then it shuts down again.
I think it would be benificial, but i think its down to personal preference.
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:59 pm |
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I have an oil cooler 
uses the water some how as astras oil cooler fails sometimes and oil mixes with the water.
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:10 am |
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Do diesels ever get hot enough to cook the oil?
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:03 am |
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WV new 1.6 tdi engines is cooking oil  In normal usage 105c. Heavy usage 115-120. :S
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:29 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Do diesels ever get hot enough to cook the oil? |
At what temp is it classed as 'cooking'
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:11 am |
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if you have oil temp and gauges fitted, you can notice that the increase in the temp, does mean thinner oil, and thus reducing the pressure of the oil, but again is it vital on a HDI?
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:15 am |
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My LCR has one as standard but it uses the coolant to cool it, not as efficient as an air cooler. I'm looking at a Thermostat controlled sandwich plate and cooler setup to keep my oil temps down on track as it normally rises above 130*c which means I have to change it after every track day.
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes.
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:16 am |
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| Lodey wrote: |
| if you have oil temp and gauges fitted, you can notice that the increase in the temp, does mean thinner oil, and thus reducing the pressure of the oil, but again is it vital on a HDI? |
My point exactly, I don't fancy a hole being blown through the side of the block or anything like that, yet it won't be anymore than 160bhp (yet) so is it even worth considering until I decide to go that bit further?
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:17 am |
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| Ape wrote: |
My LCR has one as standard but it uses the coolant to cool it, not as efficient as an air cooler. I'm looking at a Thermostat controlled sandwich plate and cooler setup to keep my oil temps down on track as it normally rises above 130*c which means I have to change it after every track day.
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes. |
Spot on! Now to work out how to fit one.
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:19 am |
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| Ape wrote: |
My LCR has one as standard but it uses the coolant to cool it, not as efficient as an air cooler. I'm looking at a Thermostat controlled sandwich plate and cooler setup to keep my oil temps down on track as it normally rises above 130*c which means I have to change it after every track day.
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes. |
WOW i can reach 110*c with mine after some seriously hard driving, and i have been shopping round for some Mocal coolers, but its just funds
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:26 am |
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It can be done for about £150 if you know where to look for stuff. It's something I'll be doing soon, 2 oil coolers lol. I'd remove the stock one but it's too much hassle with the plumbing.
You'll need:
Thermostat Sandwich Plate
Oil Cooler Feed Line
Oil Cooler Return Line
Oil Cooler
fixtures and fittings (connectors, brackets etc).
I'll be fitting mine behind the "S" Badge so it gets a good blast of air and a helping from the 2 Rad Fans when they fire up too 
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