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 Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:14 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
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Location: In the garage
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One exhaust lambda sensor plug fitted. Looks a bit better than a redundant lambda sensor sitting there. Just that one sensor removed from the loom makes the back of the engine bay look a bit tidier already.
I've got two Maniflow decat pipes to use too. One has a downstream lambda boss fitted, the other is a plain decat with a flexi hose attached. The latter is much smarter and much lighter too so I'm now able to use it if I want.
When the Omex is wired in as planned I'll be able to remove loads of surplus wiring from the original loom.
Ordered all the bits the other day. £65 of wiring accessories plus £200 to fit it all.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:19 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3085
Trade Rating: +12
Location: Essex
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looking forward to seeing the results of the new wiring....hoping to hear a different reliability story then
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:29 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 347
Trade Rating: +1
Location: Slovenia
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@Edward, do you maybe know the size of the original injectors? If I remember correctly you're still using the oem ones right? Thanks
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:35 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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No, I am using GTi 180 injectors...
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:15 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Slovenia
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Okay thanks...Do you know the size of those?
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:49 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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Bought this thermostat housing from Indigo GTi...
I intend on getting an alloy boss welded to this to fit an additional Omex coolant temperature sensor. It was fairly clean when I got it but a quick once over with some brick cleaner, turps and a stint in the dishwasher brought it up nicely. I might buy some Samco coolant hoses when I fit it....are they worth nearly £70 though?
I could have used my existing housing but I want a proper bleed screw to enable the system to be bled properly. With the existing coolant sensor stuck on the bleed screw hole it's not known how well the system is bled.
I also bought a new crank sensor from the Peugeot dealer for £17...The car is in at the moment at the auto electricians getting rewired so I thought I might as well change the crank sensor while it's apart. It's the only component that's not been changed although it's known where the problem lies.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:10 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Ring y0
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Gimme a shout if you want the coolant hoses I can get them a fair bit cheaper for you!
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:37 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Scotland
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Any updates then Paul?
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| '98 Nile Blue 306 GTi 6
'04 Obsidian Black 206 GTi 138 | |
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:38 am |
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It's not back yet but I went and had a quick look at the progress yesterday. The ECU is in the glovebox and a couple of relays will be sat in there too on a proper holder rather than the wires being connected directly to the terminals on the relay. That way the relay can be removed without having to take note of where the wires went.
When I get it back I'm planning on putting a sheet of plywood vertically across the glovebox maybe wrapped in carbon fibre wrap so the ECU and relays can all be mounted neatly. That will enable easy data logging too because the RS232 cable won't need to be trailled from the engine bay. Glovebox will be useless but never mind.
I told the auto electrician to take his time anyway! I quite like having the Jetta in the garage...more space on the driveway with it like that!
I expect it will be back by mid week - although I'm happy for him to keep it until next weekend!
Got the insurance renewal through the post too. Was £480 but after telling them it would only do 1k miles next year at most the premium was reduced to £360. Still expensive for a car that is hardly used. I'll do what I usually do and get another quote from another insurer as well.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:09 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Essex
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Sounds good Paul... glad to see it is going well. I like the idea of everything inside the car..... Thats where the laptop will be
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:56 am |
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Joined: Sep 02, 2010
Posts: 24
Trade Rating: +3
Location: Leicestershire, East Midlands
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Just read this whole thread Paul, really nice job.
Shame about the experience being a frustrating one, you would expect nothing less than a perfect job for the kind of money involved, but life can be extremely disappointing at times, and the more you have specialist one off kind of jobs done, the more you realise your'e better investigating and learning yourself, as only then do things get done to your standards.
I would echo the sentiments of others though and would be very interested to see the engine set up by someone else, or even a power run and their opinion on the power/torque/fuelling. That wouldnt cost much either. 
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:25 am |
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Nice to hear from you Dave.
If I was to do it again I'd definately go to a motorsport specialist and I think others should follow that advice. The reason I went to Ecosse was because I was worried about the complexity of the wiring and wanted somebody with experience to do it. That's exactly where it has been done wrong. Corners have been cut resulting in reliability issues.
Longmans (and all other companies) did their cars with an independent loom for good reason. It makes no sense to combine two electronic systems. The wiring is actually quite simple and I wish I'd got it all done locally. That's what experience has taught me. In the end I got poor value for money. I paid top money for a top job but got 2nd rate electrics and delays that cost me a lot of money and the spending is still continuing. In short, as described by my auto electrician - they've been very lazy.
To judge whether the price was fair I estimated it would cost about £400 to wire the car up and all that's been spent is about £1 on 3 bullet connectors (not suitable for an engine bay directly behind the radiator), insulation tape and some heat shrink so there was plenty of budget available to do the job right.
Did I also mention I asked for a quote for the conversion? Yes a quote is a fixed price. They failed to stick to that.
I supplied some little parts such as water pump, cam seals, hydraulic lifters, airbox, inlet manifold and gaskets etc as I wanted no reason for parts supply delaying progress. After I complained to them about the increase in cost I was told that me supplying parts had denied them the opportunity to supply them and add their own margin to the cost! I'd always told them of my intention to supply such parts and they had never included them in the quote.
The car already being modified was also blamed for an overrun in costs. The only modification to effect them was the Longman head. I asked them if the inlet manifold would be matched to the head (just to check that a thorough job was being done - if you don't ask you might not get!) and they took the opportunity to charge £40+VAT for it!. This work should have been included in the basic quote in the first place.
If took them 9 days to decide whether the pistons should be pocketed (Greg told this over the phone and that they actually could have started the job a bit sooner!) and they told me that the Ultimate Road cams didn't normally require this work doing (even the Piper website says cams of this spec need pistons modifying). They blamed the cylinder head.
The head has a skim of hundredths of an inch but that doesn't mean valve cut outs 2+mm deep will be required in the pistons! The cams dictate the need for cut outs not the head! I also got charged an additional £200 for machining the pistons despite me telling them this work would be required. They obviously didn't read what I'd told them.
£200 for machining pistons? Who pays £200 for machining pistons? Even Longmans only quoted £100.
£100 was then knocked off this machining cost as a goodwill jesture because of the additional hire car costs I'd incurred. Why was the hire car cost knocked off the maching costs? Is that because the cost was artificially inflated already?
On a positive note the car is becoming mine all the time and as a result it getting better. The engine hasn't fallen apart although there is a bit of an oil leak from the sump seal.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:57 am |
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Location: Dalkeith
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I have similar problems with them and sticking to budget. They specified no more than £2000 for work to be done on a car i once had. I later decided to add in a few extras which cam to another £500 fitted. After failing to give me a final cost r 2 weeks they phoned me on the day i was due to collect the car to give me a final figure of over £3200. I wasn't best pleased to say the least considering i had heaps of problems with what they done in regards to the coolant system.
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:39 am |
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Joined: Sep 02, 2010
Posts: 24
Trade Rating: +3
Location: Leicestershire, East Midlands
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Think they should stick to bodykits?
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:41 pm |
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| kevin wrote: |
| I have similar problems with them and sticking to budget. |
As they are the specialists they should be very good at calculating the exact cost of mechanical work. If they really knew their stuff they'd overlook nothing.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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