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 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:00 am |
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I've had both the 138 and the 180.
They were both reasonably cheap to keep.
The 180 is by far the best, but having a louder exhaust (Janspeed) it was not as enjoyable on long motorway journeys. Fast country roads make up for this though!
The 138 was more economical (mine was remapped to 141bhp) - 33-35mpg, whilst my 180 did 27-30mpg.
The 180 rewards you every mile you drive though.
If you can afford to run the 180 you're unlikely to regret it.
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
Would it be worth it? Especially come resale time. Unlikely.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:07 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: England
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| Kersh wrote: |
| they are 42 different |
No they aren't, because a GTi180 is about 165-170 bhp 
Plus they were never meant to be 180bhp, they were 177
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:21 am |
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Location: Leamington Spa
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:23 am |
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I think that the 180 blows the gti away. Its styling is spot on along with the extra power as standard. You would spend you £100 modifying the gti and still not be anywhere near a 180 performance. The seats are great in the 180 as well. V nice car. I have one in my drive.... cant afford to insure it as a second car but even just sitting in it makes me feel great 
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| 206 180 rally car in progress. I may not be perfect but there are parts of me that are f£%$ing brilliant | |
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:07 am |
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Joined: May 09, 2010
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Location: Anglesey
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Obviously the 180 is a better car.. but Im not looking for anything really fast and to spend loads on..
End of the day im 19 years old.. so a GTi would be ideal for me.
A nice confy car with a bit of grunt in it.
Ive looked at the prices of both in everyway, and the GTi would be the better option i think.
But If I see a decent cheap 180 then Ill deffo go for it, thanks
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:08 am |
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| Antix wrote: |
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
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The gearing on the 180 is taller overall therefore isn't as good...there's nothing wrong with the steering on the 138...the 180 steering is hardly full of feel.
if going for 200bhp+ you'd be changing the suspension to something far better than the 180 setup while 180 brakes on the 138 are perfectly adequate. Nothing wrong with the 138 GTi seats and ESP isn't needed on such cars as it takes the skill away from driving them hard...
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:29 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Antix wrote: |
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
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The gearing on the 180 is taller overall therefore isn't as good...there's nothing wrong with the steering on the 138...the 180 steering is hardly full of feel.
if going for 200bhp+ you'd be changing the suspension to something far better than the 180 setup while 180 brakes on the 138 are perfectly adequate. Nothing wrong with the 138 GTi seats and ESP isn't needed on such cars as it takes the skill away from driving them hard... |
Well said tbh lol! 
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:37 am |
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Joined: Feb 18, 2010
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| Lewis1600 wrote: |
Obviously the 180 is a better car.. but Im not looking for anything really fast and to spend loads on..
End of the day im 19 years old.. so a GTi would be ideal for me.
A nice confy car with a bit of grunt in it.
Ive looked at the prices of both in everyway, and the GTi would be the better option i think.
But If I see a decent cheap 180 then Ill deffo go for it, thanks |
Well said tbh lol! 
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:52 am |
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| Lewis1600 wrote: |
| Well said tbh lol! |
If your such an expert, why did you make the thread in the first place? & Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think? At the end of the day it's your choice, but standard 180 v's standard gti, the 180 is the better car, end of story.
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:20 am |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| Lewis1600 wrote: |
| Well said tbh lol! |
If your such an expert, why did you make the thread in the first place? & Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think? At the end of the day it's your choice, but standard 180 v's standard gti, the 180 is the better car, end of story. |
Yes 'cause I said Im an expert on 206's......
I made the thread asking are they much quicker and whats the MPG on the 180 if you would read it properly,
And obviously the 180 is a better car end of.
I never said it wasnt.
But like ive said previously, the GTi is the better choice as there isnt much between personaly.
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:32 am |
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Drive both a 138 and 180.
See the difference, then decide if either car is what you want
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:36 am |
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| Antix wrote: |
Drive both a 138 and 180.
See the difference, then decide if either car is what you want |
Seems like the best idea haha!
Ill shall be looking round for some soon
cant wait to get a GTi* lol!
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:59 am |
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| Lewis1600 wrote: |
| E5GDM wrote: |
| Lewis1600 wrote: |
| Well said tbh lol! |
If your such an expert, why did you make the thread in the first place? & Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think? At the end of the day it's your choice, but standard 180 v's standard gti, the 180 is the better car, end of story. |
Yes 'cause I said Im an expert on 206's......
I made the thread asking are they much quicker and whats the MPG on the 180 if you would read it properly,
And obviously the 180 is a better car end of.
I never said it wasnt.
But like ive said previously, the GTi is the better choice as there isnt much between personaly. |
So why agree with Edward if you think the 180 is 'obviously a better car'? Judging by your lower spec & performing astra & you now opting for a lower spec & performing 206 can you really insure a 180, or are you dreaming?
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:02 am |
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read these kinda threads before and it always seems to be people with gti 138's that say the 180 isnt better noone with a 180 ever says dont bother get a normal gti that should tell you something
i knoooooow that the 180 isnt that much faster iv heard it a million times before its getting boring now but tbh i tested both before i bought mine and knew if i didnt get the 180 id always wish i had.
its not just about the power they are more comfortable have a few more extras looks are a bit more agressive and feel a lot more sure footed true there isnt a great deal of difference between the two but if you can find a reasonably priced 180 and the insurance isnt a problem do it
iv had mine for 3 and a half years now done 45k in it and loved every second of it and have no intentions what so ever to sell up any time soon 
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:54 am |
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It's like choosing between these 2 women, this one will be cheaper to get & look after & will probably do everything you want in the real world. You can then justify your choice by saying there's more room for modification & through rose tinted glasses you can even say she doesnt need fancy fittings, let's call her 138
But if you were told this one looks & does things even only slightly better, lets call her 180, why wouldn't you go for her unless you knew you couldn't really afford or handle her?
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