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 Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:59 am |
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my dads bigger than your dad!
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:50 am |
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Ah this old topic..
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
My 138 was purchased after I weighed up every different angle on buying my car or plumping for the 180.
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
In my opinion there are half the number of people who bought the 180 are level headed as mentioned above. The other half seem to be young, influenced Vin Diesel's who simply want the best (or what they think is the best) for their Dollar/Powaaaaah ratio. Oh and lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138. You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it.
Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now.
I've seen this topic so many times as have the older members. Please can we kill it off for good?
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:13 am |
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I just dont get people on here, get a Gti and mod it so it is a fast as a 180?? Whats the point, just buy which ever one your buget suits and shut up/be happy with it.
this thread reminds me of all the honda civic noobs on youtube saying "a civic is better than a supra because when you mod it its faster". its all bulls**t, the 138 and 180 are a different driving experiance, the 180 handles better and is faster as a standard car and feels more involving in the drive, the 138 is nicer to drive around day to day because you arnt crashing through pot holes as bad, Is it that much better than a 138......no if you want something that is much better get an evo or Ferrari or even better a turbo'd EK9......... 
The 180 is a better car...simple.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:24 am |
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Who said people should buy a 138 and modify it to 180 levels? It's not worth it.
If anybody wants to go to town and do everything. i.e. TB's, cams, headwork etc it's better to do it to the 138.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:08 am |
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Joined: Feb 18, 2010
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| Edward wrote: |
| If anybody wants to go to town and do everything. i.e. TB's, cams, headwork etc it's better to do it to the 138. |
I agree - 180's are too rare [relatively-speaking]
(in the UK - 12404 GTi 138's vs. 2528 GTi 180's, Sept '09 figures)
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:17 am |
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They are rare because everybody else knew to buy something better.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:55 am |
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| lofty wrote: |
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138 ( I presume you mean 180) You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it.
Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now |
A bit confussing in places, first you choose a 138 then you ultimately say if you had a choice you'd have the 180 (the polished turd us 180 owners fell for)  . Then you moaned about the 180 costing £3200 more (was that from brand new?), but would now want to pay £2500 more for a 180 over the 138 . Whats your car worth now then? As by your reckoning a mint 138 on an 03 is worth about £500 tops?
Did make me laugh though how you 'older members' have seen it all before but still posted on a topic you want to 'kill off'!
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:02 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| They are rare because everybody else knew to buy something better. |
Someones after Sillys vacant resident troll position.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:33 am |
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everyone should clam down...
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:37 am |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| Edward wrote: |
| They are rare because everybody else knew to buy something better. |
Someones after Sillys vacant resident troll position. |
Ironic that you'd mention that 
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:45 pm |
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Well my 180 makes a really good rawr so it's better than anything.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:47 pm |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| lofty wrote: |
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138 ( I presume you mean 180) You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it.
Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now |
A bit confussing in places, first you choose a 138 then you ultimately say if you had a choice you'd have the 180 (the polished turd us 180 owners fell for) . Then you moaned about the 180 costing £3200 more (was that from brand new?), but would now want to pay £2500 more for a 180 over the 138 . Whats your car worth now then? As by your reckoning a mint 138 on an 03 is worth about £500 tops?
Did make me laugh though how you 'older members' have seen it all before but still posted on a topic you want to 'kill off'! |
Really quite aggro aren't you? 
Right here goes...
A 180 would have cost me around £3200 more SECOND HAND at the time on probably a 2 year newer plate. On weighing it up for a few days I opted for the gti with the possible intention of 'upgrading' to a 180 after a couple of years. I never did because as many of us have I looked at other, quite frankly better cars for the money.
Since then i have kept the 138 with the intention of running it until it dies and I would now value it at around I dunno, £1400? Who knows.
I would have a 180 FOR THE SAME COST but I would not pay it for basically the same car.
Also to clear it up to you, I would pay £3500 for a nice example of a 180 IF I WAS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE!
I used to be, I bought it, its time to move on to bigger and better things, not the same with some glitter and tassles.
Has this satisfied you?
I think we should all write a paragraph on this, save it into word and when it next raises it ugly head we can all juct copy and paste to our hearts content.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:54 pm |
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| lofty wrote: |
| E5GDM wrote: |
| lofty wrote: |
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138 ( I presume you mean 180) You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it.
Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now |
A bit confussing in places, first you choose a 138 then you ultimately say if you had a choice you'd have the 180 (the polished turd us 180 owners fell for) . Then you moaned about the 180 costing £3200 more (was that from brand new?), but would now want to pay £2500 more for a 180 over the 138 . Whats your car worth now then? As by your reckoning a mint 138 on an 03 is worth about £500 tops?
Did make me laugh though how you 'older members' have seen it all before but still posted on a topic you want to 'kill off'! |
Really quite aggro aren't you?
Right here goes...
A 180 would have cost me around £3200 more SECOND HAND at the time on probably a 2 year newer plate. On weighing it up for a few days I opted for the gti with the possible intention of 'upgrading' to a 180 after a couple of years. I never did because as many of us have I looked at other, quite frankly better cars for the money.
Since then i have kept the 138 with the intention of running it until it dies and I would now value it at around I dunno, £1400? Who knows.
I would have a 180 FOR THE SAME COST but I would not pay it for basically the same car.
Also to clear it up to you, I would pay £3500 for a nice example of a 180 IF I WAS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE!
I used to be, I bought it, its time to move on to bigger and better things, not the same with some glitter and tassles.
Has this satisfied you?
I think we should all write a paragraph on this, save it into word and when it next raises it ugly head we can all juct copy and paste to our hearts content. |
But the cost at the time is hardly relevant to what the OP asked... this is now not 3 or 4 years ago. As Antix pointed out there's not a massive difference now.
But I do agree this is a boring topic, 180 is better end of, but then it should be.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:58 pm |
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I agree Ali, just stating my own personal reasons for opting for a 138.
If someone offered me a straight swap now I would jump at the chance but a good 180 is always going to cost a fair bit more than a good 138.
RAWR!!
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:00 pm |
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| lofty wrote: |
I agree Ali, just stating my own personal reasons for opting for a 138.
If someone offered me a straight swap now I would jump at the chance but a good 180 is always going to cost a fair bit more than a good 138.
RAWR!! |
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