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 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:45 pm |
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brilliant answer sab thanks thats helped me out alot! 138 engine it is!! i have a 138 now and i do like it just didnt know how easy it was to get 160 bhp from them!
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:56 pm |
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| giveitsomebar wrote: |
| brilliant answer sab thanks thats helped me out alot! 138 engine it is!! i have a 138 now and i do like it just didnt know how easy it was to get 160 bhp from them! |
easy, mid-cam+remap. job done
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:33 am |
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For road rallying, why not just buy a lamp pod? (esp if vision is that important).
tbh, the 180 is gonna be a pain in the a**e if you wanna mess about with the engine (VVT is causing problems for Jamie atm i think).
Get a non plexed 138, its much much easier to work on and will more than likely cope better with your mods. 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
Tbh, if you strip out as much as you can from the interior, rollcage it, uprate brakes/pads. you'll see a massive improvement over standard form just from that.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:38 am |
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| Mr_Cellexe wrote: |
| 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management. |
I'd expect a fair bit more power with those modifications!
For a reliable 160-180 bhp then I'd just go for a standard 180 engine.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:31 am |
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is there any restriction in engine mod?
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:42 am |
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| Mr_Cellexe wrote: |
For road rallying, why not just buy a lamp pod? (esp if vision is that important).
tbh, the 180 is gonna be a pain in the a**e if you wanna mess about with the engine (VVT is causing problems for Jamie atm i think).
Get a non plexed 138, its much much easier to work on and will more than likely cope better with your mods. 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
Tbh, if you strip out as much as you can from the interior, rollcage it, uprate brakes/pads. you'll see a massive improvement over standard form just from that. |
You cant use a lamp pod for road rallies, and all of the major interior parts much remain in 
Sam
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:47 am |
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yep for road rallying the rules are quite strict.
no lamp pods
no discharge lights unless the car come out the factory with them
no lightforce lights
interior must still have rear seats and most of the trim
engine mods are anything goes aslong as you dont change it from the original fueling system so you cant put ITBS or turbos or anything like that.
there is a guy who runs a 206 cup car and as they were produced by peugeot he can run everything that it come out the factory with like the cup inlet manifold and stuff but he has to stick to the 1600 engine, i think he has got about 190bhp but the engine lacks torque and doesnt seem to come on cam untill about 3500 rpm!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-e0xW79aw
thats him on one of the few daylight sections we use not very impressive but you get the idea
thanks for all your input so far
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:49 am |
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| giveitsomebar wrote: |
yep for road rallying the rules are quite strict.
no lamp pods
no discharge lights unless the car come out the factory with them
no lightforce lights
interior must still have rear seats and most of the trim
engine mods are anything goes aslong as you dont change it from the original fueling system so you cant put ITBS or turbos or anything like that.
there is a guy who runs a 206 cup car and as they were produced by peugeot he can run everything that it come out the factory with like the cup inlet manifold and stuff but he has to stick to the 1600 engine, i think he has got about 190bhp but the engine lacks torque and doesnt seem to come on cam untill about 3500 rpm!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-e0xW79aw
thats him on one of the few daylight sections we use not very impressive but you get the idea
thanks for all your input so far |
but to be fair, power from 3500 all the way down to 9000 is pretty amazing, plus i don't suppose you have much time using rpm below 3500 in rally?
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:55 am |
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you would be surprised we get alot of tight hairpins and controls which requires alot of stop starting so something with less than 190 bhp but more torque would defiantly benefit on some of the more tighter stages
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:09 am |
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| giveitsomebar wrote: |
| you would be surprised we get alot of tight hairpins and controls which requires alot of stop starting so something with less than 190 bhp but more torque would defiantly benefit on some of the more tighter stages |
 always learn something new in here!
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:12 am |
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Hmm...seems a bit pointless using a 138 then
tbh, didnt have a clue on the restrictions for RR.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:13 am |
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does anyone know the exact power and torque figures for the 2 engines?
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:36 am |
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| giveitsomebar wrote: |
| does anyone know the exact power and torque figures for the 2 engines? |
Parkers It's all on there, facts and figures section
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| Moonstone GTI . . . SP grilles, ss cat-back, quick shift, ECU re-map. Trying to resist the modding bug this time and failing!
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:29 am |
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Have a look at Mac's rally 206 gti for engine mods
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:38 am |
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mac is do grp A stage rally i think, engine mod regulation is different
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