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 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:21 am |
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Does anyone know where the horn its on a 2.0l 206. (CC)
I Have a new compact air horn I want to fit in conjuntion with the original but I have hit a snag. There is little or no room to fit it. It's around 4"x5"x2" so I hoping it would fit in between the bumper and radiator but thats looking out of the question. Plus if i can't find the old one it's pretty useless anyway 
Anyone else tried to do this?
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:35 am |
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Also I want to connect this in conjuntion with my OE horn as I beleive air horns are a MOT fail on their own.
Should it be ok to do this without damaging the extisting electronics. New horn will have it's own supply through a relay and the existing horn will be connected as the switch to the relay.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:43 am |
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behind the front lower grill on the drivers side
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:52 am |
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| Davels wrote: |
Also I want to connect this in conjuntion with my OE horn as I beleive air horns are a MOT fail on their own.
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Only if there the type that play a stupid tune.
Normal airhorn's are fine.
Sounds like you know what your doing with the relay & fused + supply 
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:15 am |
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Thank for the location advice MrBSI.
I've seen some of your other post helping people with electrical queries. So i wonder if you could help me out with the following if poss.
I have had to muddle my way through installing one of these on a previous car by learning as I went and testing and re testing before making things live. But this was on an older Civic. We all know the pug’s ECU and BSI are much more temperamental so I really want to take this slow and get it right. On my last install I used only a 10 amp fuse and all was ok. I'm using cable rated at 17 amps and again a 10amp fuse, would you say this was ok for the pug? Hopefully I’m right in thinking that as long as the fuse rating is lower than the amp rating of the wire, it should blow before overheating and possibly causing damage/fire.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:22 am |
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| Davels wrote: |
| Hopefully I’m right in thinking that as long as the fuse rating is lower than the amp rating of the wire, it should blow before overheating and possibly causing damage/fire. |
Correct, the fuse is the weakest point in the circuit.
You can use the 2 original Peugeot horn wires to fire the relay coil.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:21 am |
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I have a quad air horn and wired it direct to the original horn. Didn't see the need for the relay seen as it already has one
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:24 am |
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| Rob2859 wrote: |
| I have a quad air horn and wired it direct to the original horn. Didn't see the need for the relay seen as it already has one |
Hold your horn push down & see what happens 
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:15 pm |
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I've fitted it all but after a few tests the 10 amp fuse blew. Found out that these horns can draw upto 18amps (not confirmed) So looked like I am going to have to re wire the lot before I can fit a 20amp fuse to cover it.
I only used 17 amp cable as the 27amp cable only came in short rolls. For the time being it has a 15 amp fuse and it only being used in short blasts.
Forgot how loud these things are. TBH without having the extra room from swapping to morette headlights today i wouldnt have had enough room to fit the unit. it now i sit behind the driver side headlight kinda makes it a hellova lot loud in car
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:18 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| Rob2859 wrote: |
| I have a quad air horn and wired it direct to the original horn. Didn't see the need for the relay seen as it already has one |
Hold your horn push down & see what happens |
+1
hope you got a fire extinguisher 
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:20 pm |
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| ExoVyper wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| Rob2859 wrote: |
| I have a quad air horn and wired it direct to the original horn. Didn't see the need for the relay seen as it already has one |
Hold your horn push down & see what happens |
+1
hope you got a fire extinguisher |
And a full wallet to for a new wiring loom. By all accounts doing the above is not good!
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:22 pm |
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Remember to keep the compressor well lubed up 
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:31 am |
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The 206 already has a relay rated at 35A inductive/resistive in the engine bay fuse box.
It is located on the lower-right corner and you can hear it happily clicking away when
you press the horn switch without a horn connected.
It is therefore a complete waste of time and energy fitting another relay after the relay.
The Nautilus (assuming its the Stebel) will easily fit where the standard horn was, as long as
you bend the holding bracket slightly. You will need to change fuse F13 in the engine bay
fuse-box from 15A(blue) to 25A(white), which is allowed as an option in the manual.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:16 pm |
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Thanks for the above. new wiring and relay is in anyway now so no bother for me, but good to see what looks like some well researched advice.
I may have to rethink my positioning and put it back where the original horn was. I believe it filled with water at the hand car wash today. Guy was inches away with the pressure washer around my new morretes.
Made a funny ol noise when it cleared itself but it's not acceptable that its getting water in it.
Surely as the unit only uses a max of 18amps you would only need to swap out the 15amp with a 20amp (yellow) i now it makes no real odd if the wiring and relay is geared up for up to 35amps
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:32 pm |
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There should be a plastic rectangular plug which fits to the horn and a breathing pipe can be attached.
The pipe end is then tied somewhere high up in the bay so that water is not sucked-in in wet conditions.
Otherwise you might get an early failure of the compressor or garbled sound as you describe.
Regarding the fuse, bear in-mind that most loads initialy draw slightly more current at switch-on from cold (off).
So there is a spike of higher current which has to be accomodated hence the slightly increased fuse rating required.
Again, eventualy the fuse could blow even though there is nothing wrong with the setup if you make it too borderline.
Agreed about the wiring and relay max rating.
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