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 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:35 am |
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driving home from trafford centre last night me engine management light come on, this morning about to drive me car to uni reversing out the drive heard a clunk from the rear thought wtf was that drove round to the roundabout at the top of the road, my brakes pedal had to be pushed to the floor to and didnt work, so tried putting me handbrake on and it lifted vertical with little force, come home took take a look at me car and me left hand rear of the car was stuck like the handbrake was on when trying to reverse out the drive again, just took it too the garage scariest thing ever drving with no brakes anyone got any clues as what could be up with it?
help much appreciated
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:41 am |
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brake fluid levels or poss cables or something
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:43 am |
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Sounds like two seperate faults to me.
You haven't p*ssed anyone off recently have you? 
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:12 am |
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Brakes: could be you've lost the lining on the rear shoe if you have drum brakes. That would mean the shoe moves too far and the piston looses fluid. If the wheel is jammed on, that would be the loose lining jamming between the other shoe and the drum.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:53 am |
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If both pedal and handbrake aren't right then it's something that shares both so won't be cables or fluid related. As mentioned above, more than likely something to do with the brake shoes at the rear.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:00 am |
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Check the shoe hasnt snapped, happened to mine and the handbrake wouldnt work and the brake pedal went really really 'squishy' and would only brake when you floored the pedal
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:25 am |
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| gazza82 wrote: |
| Brakes: could be you've lost the lining on the rear shoe if you have drum brakes. That would mean the shoe moves too far and the piston looses fluid. If the wheel is jammed on, that would be the loose lining jamming between the other shoe and the drum. |
x2, sounds like the brake shoe lining has delaminated off the shoe, causing a massive play in the brakes which will affect both service brake and handbrake. In theory, you still have braking by pumping the pedal but obviously it needs sorting ASAP.
Do you do your own servicing and if so, do you check the brakes every 6 months or so? Or if its a garage, did they do it? Its definitely worth it, to keep an eye on things and clean them up every so often too.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:33 am |
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i would say the shoes inside the drums have lost there pads.. sometimes pops off and spins around inside the drum. Happened to my old 1.1
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:11 am |
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| sc206 wrote: |
just took it too the garage scariest thing ever drving with no brakes anyone got any clues as what could be up with it?
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Bit of a stupid thing to do & then admit on a public forum 
If the brakes are not working then it should have been recovered to the garage on a recovery truck.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:19 am |
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garage has got back to me now and the rear shoes have gone and they said a wheel bearing as well but ive had no problems with the wheel bearing so me dad reckons they broke it when getting to the rear shoes and my cat has just been replaced and they said i need a new one for the eml light but they just replaced it 3 weeks ago so dont have a clue what they are playing at
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:22 am |
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| sc206 wrote: |
| they said i need a new one for the eml light but they just replaced it 3 weeks ago so dont have a clue what they are playing at |
Would have been a cheap non genuine cat, what else do you expect as they sound like a load of back street bodgers 
Needs a proper exhaust emissions test so you can work out whats exactly wrong with it.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 am |
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Its quite possible they broke the wheel bearing getting the drum apart. You'll still have to pay for it though, think of it as consequential damage to the original problem. Its not their fault you damaged the brakes, etc.
The cat - I think there's a reset which needs to be done on the ECU after a new one is fitted? Its possible the first garage who replaced the cat didn't do this, resulting in the second garage needlessly replacing it again. Can you go back to the 1st garage and confirm? If so, then the 1st replacement cat should get replaced (what, the 2nd garage have thrown it away now???) and you shouldn't be charged for this. Was the 1st one type-approved?
Any info on how often you had the brakes serviced?
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:29 am |
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its the same garage ive gone back too, they have given it a diagnostics check so will post fault codes later, how much is an exhaust emissions test?
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:08 pm |
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quite normal to renew the rear wheel bear when you doing work on drum brake
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:28 pm |
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It's common for the bearings to fall apart when you take them off. The inner race gets stuck to the stub axle and there is no way it will come off in one piece. So the garage end up with the out stuck in the drum, the inner stuck on the stub axle and a load of ball bearings all over the floor.
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