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 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:14 pm |
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Right I have just changed n/s wishbone and top engine mount on my 180 in the snow nonetheless. I replaced the top engine mount as it seemed to have a lot of movement,
Ive replaced everything the buffers, the mount and top bush, and there is still a lot of movement, nearly a 1 cm gap between the buffer on the side nearest the front of the car.
Are they all like this? as Im still getting bad movement when backing off the throttle quickly in low gears and when going on the throttle, which is pulling on the exhaust and causing it to blow at the manifold and the flexi. Its been like this for nearly 3 years now and Im no closer to solving the problem, have replaced all the engine mounts in the past year.
Any thoughts or other owners with the same problems?
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:18 pm |
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did you change the lower mount?
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:23 pm |
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| Seabook wrote: |
| did you change the lower mount? |
I changed the lower mount last year some time, the movement seems all on the top due to the gap in the buffers
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:33 pm |
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Sounds normal.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:36 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Sounds normal. |
the amount of movement when backing off the throttle leads me to believe it isnt, my old 206 Gti had no movement, its very much like a bucking motion which means you need to treat the accelerator like its made of paper to get smooth transition from off power to on power.
In all the cars Ive owned I have never experienced anything like it, and its also causing my exhaust to blow, everytime I fix it the problem soon returns.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:37 pm |
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Are you sure its not the clutch cause the judder?
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:51 pm |
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| Steve206 wrote: |
| Are you sure its not the clutch cause the judder? |
No definitely not the clutch I replaced that myself 6months ago.
Basically if your in 2nd gear doing about 20 mph then back off the throttle quickly the engine bucks quite violently,same in 1st gear and 3rd, same bucking if you accelerate hard from no throttle position.
Its worse in the lower gears obviously but not as bad in the higher gears although still noticeable
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:24 pm |
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How do you know how much the engine is moving?
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:26 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Sounds normal. |
I agree, my 180 was as you describe, you just need to be more smooth on the pedal.
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:00 pm |
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| sri16v wrote: |
| Steve206 wrote: |
| Are you sure its not the clutch cause the judder? |
No definitely not the clutch I replaced that myself 6months ago.
Basically if your in 2nd gear doing about 20 mph then back off the throttle quickly the engine bucks quite violently,same in 1st gear and 3rd, same bucking if you accelerate hard from no throttle position.
Its worse in the lower gears obviously but not as bad in the higher gears although still noticeable |
Well mine is like this as well when cold, but my clutch needs chenging, maybe i should check my mounts as well!
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:00 am |
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Replace the buffers with Mini suspension bump stops..... you wont have a gap then 
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:46 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| How do you know how much the engine is moving? |
Its kind of hard not to notice the movement when driving, the amount of movement is very unusual for a modern day car, just fed up of fixing the exhaust only for it to be blowing a few months later down the line due to the amount of movement.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:50 am |
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It's very normal - if yours is normal. That's how they make cars refined these days. I still don't know how you can tell how much the engine is moving when you drive it - after all you can't see it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:22 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| It's very normal - if yours is normal. That's how they make cars refined these days. I still don't know how you can tell how much the engine is moving when you drive it - after all you can't see it. |
You can feel the movement after backing off, dont see whats hard to understand.
I still dont think it is normal, my old 138 gti never used to exhibit these symptoms nor does any other car that I have driven or owned barring my old 205 GTi, but that was more down to the basic Bosch Jetronic fuel injection managment, very on off.
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:45 am |
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when you say lower mount did you change the mount on top of the gear box or the one to the rear of the engine which is called the torsional damper (drivers side drive shaft has to be removed)
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