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 Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:51 am |
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| DUBLINHITMAN wrote: |
I couldn't see the 180gti listed thou would the normal gti fit the 180 ?? |
Smart people use a decent panel filter in the factory airbox 
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:47 am |
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Induction kits do pretty much nothing. I find it outrageous that people are prepared to spend 250 quid on a noise and usually a drop in performance?? Why not put the money towards a cam/s, 421 Equal length manifold or something that will actually net some real power gains? N/a tuning is not cheap so why throw money away?
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:28 pm |
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I do find it hard to believe they do nothing. The stock intake on the 206 is known for being very restricted. The air has to travel through an intake hose above the left wheel arch, an air box (which is known to collect water and effect performance), through a little bit more piping that leads to the larger air box with the panel filter in and then the last bit of piping until finally it reaches the combustion chamber. The link below shows part of what I'm talking about.
2.bp.blogspot.com/-nKK...nshot1.png
This next link is a pic of the typhoon cold air system:
www.knfilters.co.uk/im...7501TS.jpg
And changing that wont improve the cars performance at all  Even if jus a bit quicker through the revs
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:00 am |
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Peugeot designed it this way for a reason. Without starting a massive debate, restriction is not the only factor in induction. Areas like ambient temperatures and pulse length tuning also come into play. The last quote "Even if its just a bit quicker through the revs" sums it up really, £250 for something that generally gives torque loss and probably 2bhp top end. As said previously I know where id be spending the cash.......
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:53 pm |
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Peugeot have to take into consideration noise, fuel economy, performance and many other factors that they spend money on. This I agree on, only problem is to tick all these boxes Peugeot have to find a middle ground if that makes sense. I jus want my engine to 'breathe' better then it already does. I still think putting your foot down and the revs responding quicker and picking up speed is a plus and its a mod most people can do themselves. The mods you quoted before I'm not even sure about ("Why not put the money towards a cam/s, 421 Equal length manifold"). What are they, are they expensive mods and do they need to be done by a professional mechanic? Sorry loads of questions but I'm still learning myself lol
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:56 pm |
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they look nicer than the standard airbox with a k&n filter but for little or no gain its pointless unless you plan on parking up out side mc d's with your bonnet up
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:04 pm |
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That actually made me smile Andy. I wont be lifting my bonnet lol. We'll see how it goes. I'll give you guys some feed back once the suns back out and I can actually fit it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:40 am |
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Mods i listed are no more expensive than the typhoon kit. A good 4/2/1 exhaust manifold should net you around 4/6bhp for approx 200 quid. Easy to fit yourself. Aftermarket camshafts will probably be around 300 but will yield around 10/15 bhp. Not so easy to fit unless your relatively competent.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:25 am |
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Thanks for the feedback EJ. I've currently got a powerflow stainless steel exhaust system fitted, dont know if you guys rate them but looks, sounds and pulls very nice. Might look into the Camshaft upgrade when I get some extra money
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:43 am |
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| ej2_sir wrote: |
| Mods i listed are no more expensive than the typhoon kit. A good 4/2/1 exhaust manifold should net you around 4/6bhp for approx 200 quid. Easy to fit yourself. Aftermarket camshafts will probably be around 300 but will yield around 10/15 bhp. Not so easy to fit unless your relatively competent. |
i would have thought some decent cams would be more like triple that price
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:05 pm |
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| ramigojag wrote: |
| ej2_sir wrote: |
| Mods i listed are no more expensive than the typhoon kit. A good 4/2/1 exhaust manifold should net you around 4/6bhp for approx 200 quid. Easy to fit yourself. Aftermarket camshafts will probably be around 300 but will yield around 10/15 bhp. Not so easy to fit unless your relatively competent. |
i would have thought some decent cams would be more like triple that price |
www.pipercams.co.uk/pi...GTI2BP270R
Granted there reprofile and not blanks but at 210 quid they will offer alot better £ to bhp ratio than an air filter.
Your powerflow system will be ok.... Generally there not the best for maximum power as the bends in the system are rarely mandrel bent. However in an exhaust system, your real power increase comes from a good manifold
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:10 pm |
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what difference would a k&n panel filter make in my car if i replace it with my standard filter?
is there a need ?
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:22 pm |
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Nope no need at all. Apart from rather than buying a new paper filter every time you can wash/re oil the K&N. Any gains you get will be very minimal. Dont expect miracles....
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