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 Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:25 am |
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I took the top cambelt cover off to see if it had any major wear on it which it didn't but It's 8 years old now so I thought it would be best to get it done, I looked into doing it myself as I'm a fitter but iv got that much on at the minute and I think I'd need to allow a couple of days to get it right, I just can't fit it in so I rang a local garage and they want £264 to do it including the cam belt kit and aux belt but no water pump but then again the pump shouldn't have much wear with it only having 37k miles,
What do you guys think to the quote I got and the water pump situation ???
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:34 am |
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you better change the pump as well if you want to keep the car for let say more than a yr.
if the pump seized that the car can be write off
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:38 am |
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Unless you also have the correct locking tools for the GTI 180 belt change get somebody else who has the tools to do it.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:00 am |
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What those two said ^
Its not worth risking not doing the water pump, if you dont do it and you have a problem with it after the belts have been the done they need to come off again.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:13 am |
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Yeah I'm getting a garage to do it anyway because it'll only cost 100 pound more than me doing it and I don't have time but unsure about the pump because the bearing in them shouldn't just seize up untill like 100k miles because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:21 am |
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| Johnbyron wrote: |
| Yeah I'm getting a garage to do it anyway because it'll only cost 100 pound more than me doing it and I don't have time but unsure about the pump because the bearing in them shouldn't just seize up untill like 100k miles because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load |
so why are you changing the belt then? 
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:23 am |
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I would say get the pump done at the same time mate.
Nothing like a GTi 180, but we had a 1.4 Fever that the previous owner had only changed the cambelt. That was low mileage (30k) and very soon after the waterpump started grinding and failed.
Because when you change the belt, you get a new tensioner, that puts extra strain on the waterpump bearings.
Yes, they should last 100k but is it really worth running the risk? If they start grinding you are going to have to get another cambelt change sooner than reccomended... Is it worth the cost of another cambelt just to save yourself £60 or so on a new waterpump?
But it is your car, so therefore up to you. Commonplace nowadays to change the pump at the same time as you change the belt.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:30 am |
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An 8 year old GTI 180 on the original water pump, it should really be changed along with the timing belt kit.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:56 am |
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Seabook - because the belt is exposed to the elements and has been for eight years so will have weathered a bit
Martind- I see what your saying there
MrBSI- hmm 8 years is a while I must admit
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:59 am |
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It makes good engineering sense while its in bits to replace the water pump at the same time as the belt & tensioner.
If the pump fails at best it will leak meaning its got to come apart again OR at worse it will snap the belt which will bend valves.
For what a new water pump actually costs its just silly not to replace it at the same time.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:11 am |
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| Johnbyron wrote: |
| because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load |
In which case wheel bearings should never wear out...but they do.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:20 am |
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Wheel bearings have a lot more stress tho  in terms of weight, but yeah your all right I should do the pump Im just really too tight I think haha yeah worth paying out £60 rather than paying out for a strip down and new valves
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Last edited by Johnbyron on Thu May 24, 2012 6:21 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:20 am |
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| Johnbyron wrote: |
| Yeah I'm getting a garage to do it anyway because it'll only cost 100 pound more than me doing it and I don't have time but unsure about the pump because the bearing in them shouldn't just seize up untill like 100k miles because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load |
Why did you ask if you should get it done then if you know thats the case? lol
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:24 am |
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Well I thought people would convince me otherwise with horror stories haha because the more I think about it, it does make sense to replace I was just thinking too much about my paper in my wallet :'-)
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:25 am |
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| Johnbyron wrote: |
| Well I thought people would convince me otherwise with horror stories haha because the more I think about it, it does make sense to replace I was just thinking too much about my paper in my wallet :'-) |
I found this out, if you buy a 180 dont ever expect to have any money lol...infact that goes for driving all together
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