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 Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:47 pm |
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Joined: Feb 09, 2010
Posts: 265
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Location: Mitcham
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Been watching this for a while I dunno what to say other than its amazing. But a real shame that it wont be at a car show so i can have a real good look.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:39 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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| macj wrote: |
| Are you getting a torque steer on acceleration from standstill and trouble stopping it wanting to light up one wheel |
It will light them up if i try but after that it doesn't seem to pull a great deal harder than it did before. Yes it revs higher but there's no step in the torque and no clear power band. Basically it feels a bit flat at times.
| Brian wrote: |
| That looks absolutely stunning Tedward! As mentioned, that head is crying out for a cover...Ecosse do a nice carbon fibre one which would go with your airbox |
They offered me one and I didn't want it.
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| Just noticed your strutbrace is off the car as well? |
It gets in the way of work and doesn't do anything anyway.
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| The bay is looking cracking. Have you taken the engine cover off? Is that not risky? |
It doesn't do anything and it's been off for the last 3 years...
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| Were there any issues with the radiator? |
There is about 5mm between the radiator and airbox. I've seen Longmans cars with the radiator housing moved forwards to provide clearance. With the uprated engine mounts the engine doesn't move too much so it's not an issue. I'd be a bit concerned if the mounts weren't fitted though.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Last edited by Edward on Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:50 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:42 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Moscow
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I'm confused, so are you happy with it or not?
Does look good, but the main reason for it is the power, 'so if its feeling flat'...
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:49 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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I'll post up the rolling road print later for you guys to analyse...
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:20 am |
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Joined: Feb 09, 2010
Posts: 140
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Location: Sittingbourne
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Looks amazing Edward! I love how you have kept the whole car standard, same as what I would do  Man I miss my GTi 
So.... whats all this about disappointing power delivery?
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:33 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Barry, South Wales
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I must say I have been watching this from the start and I love how it looks standard now 
Bit gutted for you as you don't seem happy with it! Hope you sort it out soon.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:59 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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I'd like to see the graph, whether the figures are accurate or not means nothing, I just want to see the shape, see if it looks like there's anything up with it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:08 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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One rolling road print out...
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:27 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 703
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Location: Evesham, Worcestershire
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Thats a bit of kink at 4500rpm!
I've just had a look at the longmans spec:
Max power: 190bhp @ 6750rpm
Max torque: 170lb ft @ 5500rpm
From the impression from reading the above you don't seem totally happy. I would be interested in what the others say when they see the above graph.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:36 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: A Track near you ;)
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is there a graph for air/fuel ratio??
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:41 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Essex
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Power curve is the wrong way and you should see at least another 10ft/lb of torque with those cams.
I need more time to study the graph but I think you have a torque curve issue. My only thoughts are that they have mapped it with 14.7lambda but have not fuelled it enough at the top of the rev range. The MOT test would not reach that sort of RPM. They also set the rev limiter too high in the RR session.
Give me a PM if you want to discuss it further
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:43 pm |
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| Geoff wrote: |
From the impression from reading the above you don't seem totally happy. |
I'm quite underwhelmed by it to be honest. There is no mid range as such either, it pulls but doesn't feel quick. Looking at the before and after charts it appears to have less torque at 4500rpm than before.
It is fast higher up the rev range but it doesn't exactly blow your socks off.
| Mattie® wrote: |
| is there a graph for air/fuel ratio?? |
Nope.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:45 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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| macj wrote: |
| My only thoughts are that they have mapped it with 14.7lambda but have not fuelled it enough at the top of the rev range. |
Which they would have to do in order to keep the cat working long term? I believe such cams dictate the need for richer mixtures but those and cats don't go together.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:05 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 3617
Trade Rating: +9
Location: Under your bed
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It's a shame you're not so pleased with it Edward. After the time and effort that has gone into it
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:53 pm |
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Joined: Jan 23, 2010
Posts: 655
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Location: North West
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Work that's done looks very neatly done, I like the OEM subtle look of it all.
It's a shame you're a bit dissapointed with it, I once went out In Bonsons car, and that felt MUCH different to the power delivery of the 180. It did knock me and throw me back in the seat, even mid-range it packed quite a punch.
I'm with you on the RR results too, all of them are a bit peculiar, but your torque is showing VERY similar to that of a 180 (mines 154ibft 0, should it not 'theoretically' be somewhat higher?
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