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 Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:16 am |
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Hi,
+- half a year ago I got the black diamond stage 2 clutch installed, but didn't replace the flywheel (I'm new and didn't now I had to..). It slipped slightly straight away in 4/5th in low rpm, but recently has been getting a lot worse.
Also slipping in 3rd now, from 1800-2400 rpm if full pedal down with remap.
Is it worth still replacing the flywheel, could this cause the slipping? The car is from 2000.
Otherwise I'd go for a sachs clutch kit, especially as I've just got all the parts ready for the intercooler setup..
clutch: www.motorsportworld.co...ID=1503953
thanks
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Last edited by Martin_HDi on Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:36 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:33 am |
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just poor quality clutch.
i doubt black diamond know how to make clutch / brakes.....there is loads of S*** brands "performance" clutch around so.... 
Even oem clutch will not slip for just a remap. And yes i am 100% sure. Intercooled -mapped might be too stressful for stock clutch though
2.0 HDi rarely fail on flywheel so no need to change it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:12 am |
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Someone forget to clean the pressure plate or re use old one?
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:27 am |
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+1
Shouldn't need new flywheel.
Did you use new pressure plate and clean all splines etc?
Did you get grease or oil contaminated while fitting?
Incorrect fitting of clutch operating mechanism?
I have never known a slipping clutch to cure itself. You should have striped it down again almost immediately. I know, after re-assembly it is sole destroying to strip it again but it was never going to improve on its own.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:41 am |
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Thanks a lot,
Did go for a new pressure plate and garage that fitted it seemed ok before, mechanic said he thought kevlar might have to slip in. Didnt realise these were bad clutches 
Very surprised it's doing worse than original, but don't want to pay to inspect it only to find out clutch quality is problem
anyway will look for new clutch again. will this hold intercooler + some trackdays?
www.sachsperformance.c..._1961.html
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:40 pm |
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Sachs Clutch is good
i use helix and it has been good for the pass 3+years
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:40 pm |
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I will point out black diamond are made by national.....
Which arent actually that bad, just over priced
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:44 pm |
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national are cheap and s**te, fitted one last week in a alto and the centre of the friction plate and was hitting the pressure plate, cheap rubbish
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:46 pm |
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| troy wrote: |
| national are cheap and s**te, fitted one last week in a alto and the centre of the friction plate and was hitting the pressure plate, cheap rubbish |
I will happily completely disagree, if you wish to argue you about it, feel free to slate more, but i will shoot you down
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:50 pm |
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Fitted less than 12 months ago and slipping I would take it back to the garage.
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:56 am |
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Could always get the flywheel refaced, i just dropped mine off today at an
Engine rebuild place, and its costing £30
Because flywheel bolts let oil onto clutch plate so was slipping and flywheel
got hot, so im having it done to make sure the new clutch seats well
I read this when looking for a clutch www.uucmotorwerks.com/clutch/
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:20 am |
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| Addaz wrote: |
| troy wrote: |
| national are cheap and s**te, fitted one last week in a alto and the centre of the friction plate and was hitting the pressure plate, cheap rubbish |
I will happily completely disagree, if you wish to argue you about it, feel free to slate more, but i will shoot you down |
we shall have to agree to disagree then. but thats just mine and everyone i work withs opinion.
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