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 Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 1:40 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Athens, Greece
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That 1/2cm is a pretty big difference if you look at the tolerance limits.. 
You had over +5mm when it was supposed to be -1 to -0.2mm.
Rear was found to be spot-on which is great news.
Is it still actually pulling as badly?
Is the steering wheel centered on the straight and/or do you have to apply pressure to keep it straight?
I would definately let it settle a bit now before taking it to anywhere else. 
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:04 pm |
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threads now 8mm both. End of journey actually felt better lol, though it was my senses playing up. They also said i should drive until there's play in driveshafts, and not do anything else meanwhile
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:00 pm |
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I can't really see anything much wrong with the readings. my only point is that I always use a garage with Hunter or Beissbarth equipment. That measure all the settings in degrees or fractions of a degree. Doing that rather than in mm means you don't need any adjustment to allow for different diameter tyres to that specified by the manufacturer.
Sorry recommending to check what equipment is used after the event but back to your settings and they seem OK. I have certainly seen far worse on cars that feel fine.
One thing (the obvious) no one yet seems to have recommended is to check tyre pressures - ops. I know only 4 or 5 psi makes quite a difference to my daughters and, while she seems oblivious, I sense soft tyres in her car very quickly but I have done quite a bit of rally and track driving so a little tuned to things like that. Sticking with tyres what size wheels (including wheel width) and tyre combination is fitted and what pressure do you run them at?
After that I can only recommend that you drive another 206 (not lowered or messed with) and see how it compares to yours.
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Last edited by kandlbarrett on Wed May 15, 2013 3:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:32 pm |
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^'Just came on here to ask about the tyres.
I take it the printout spec. agrees with what you have on there surely.
Pressures must have been checked prior to allignment by the tech every time though.
What psi are you running?
I still think something is up with it simply because I've never - ever come accross only 8mm of thread showing on those track-rod ends.
However, I would fully accept that it's possible if and when the car drives fine with that adjustment.
In the mean-time, as far as I'm concerned pulling/drifting=bad.
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:10 pm |
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Another thought - as well as my question about pressures and size have you checked that the tyres are all the same size. It wouldn't be the first time!
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:51 pm |
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Tyre size is wrongly reported in the printout (probably read off factory fitted according to the licence plate).
Current tyres originally belonged to a 307 (a year ago) and they are Michelin "Energy saver" 185/65 R15 : 16in alloy diameter, 23inch - the whole road wheel - all 4 wheels same size. They are approx 7in thick
Pressure in PSI:
front N/S 30.5 O/S 30.5
rear N/S 30 O/S 30
When roadwheels were fitted a year ago, the O/S rear wheel used to touch the dirt panel on bumps and corners, which was slightly prodded by the fuel filling cap hose going on the other side of it. But overtime the noise disappeared - plastics moulded itselves fine, tyre didn't wear
As to sit in another 206 - I bet that one will feel the same as my one felt month ago when all things were dandy.
More info - after tomorrow's proper commute test drive
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:05 am |
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No change  I even changed gears agressively whilst accelerating, car made quite a wobble!
More forensics: if I hold the wheel strong, and keep it centred steady, the car still pulls to the side, I feel fighting the wheel a bit, on deceleration steering relaxes and then swaps over to the other side.
I might check for brakes binding, had brake dust all over alloys on both front wheels over past two months
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:58 am |
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| sledge wrote: |
No change I even changed gears agressively whilst accelerating, car made quite a wobble!
More forensics: if I hold the wheel strong, and keep it centred steady, the car still pulls to the side, I feel fighting the wheel a bit, on deceleration steering relaxes and then swaps over to the other side.
I might check for brakes binding, had brake dust all over alloys on both front wheels over past two months |
Definately check brakes.
Do the following when you get some time:
On a (preferably) slightly downard slope road take a right-angle turn at slow speed.
Once you're in it, lightly release your grip on the steering wheel so that it 'feeds itslef' back to centre (centre-return). - Be aware of other traffic.
Does it:
1) Return smoothly and naturaly as if the car tucks into the turn and is obeying the road so to speak?
2) Violently straightens itself to the point you have to grab it again and manually correct it?
3) Hardly returns at all and you have to 'guide' the steering wheel at all times to straighten up again?
Then do the same on a left-turn, does it feel preety much the same?
It will take a few goes to get a feeling of it.
If you have a look at the wheels on a supermarket trolley, the way they straighten themselves according which way you push, it works in a simillar way.
I think this is a good thread and would be really interested on other people's knowledge and experience as well.
The only thing I like in (most) French cars is how they corner. 
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:46 am |
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Off the top of my head, steering wheel centre-return has never been 100% smooth: the bit I recall is that it sometimes stops (or hesitates and then carries on) returning in the middle of its return process
One fine day soon I will swap over back to 14" wheels (there's another 206 in our household, simple 5-door LX 1.9 Y-plate, but rarely available for all-day surgeries  )
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:56 am |
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What about taking it for an MOT? if there's owt drastic going on it will certainly be found.
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:59 am |
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Yup, had that advise from "we-only-align-front-wheels-and-they-still-show-up-5mm-off-during-4wheel-align-after-and-we-recommend-customers-to-change-odd-looking-wishbones" place. They said that putting it on the rolling road might be easier to localise the problem.
MOT due Jan 2014.. This would be a premature one
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:07 pm |
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OK deep thinking cap on. I think V9977 is pointing you towards steering rack and that is possible but I think you also need to think about bent shock absorber or similar?
You say it suddenly went out. Did that coincide with you hitting a curb quite hard or something similar. Did it coincide with a mate borrowing your car? The amount that the 4 wheel centre corrected is huge! Was that made that bad by hitting something or was it made that bad by the 2 wheel centre?
To be honest you have checked everything - or everything I can think of now except shocks or steering rack. After my suggestion above (damaged shocks) I am now a little stumped.
You do need to understand that when front wheel drive cars accelerate the front wheels do naturally turn in slightly and when you decelerate they turn outwards slightly. So the effect you have is that when accelerating either the RH wheel is turning in more than it should or the LH wheel is being prevented from turning in the same as the right.
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:13 pm |
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Yes, my car seems to be a patient with a long illness history
Shock-absorbers story:
Back in ~November 2012 I got told that my driver side front shock absorber has liquid traces around it.
But since I bought the car in March 2012, it had a hard suspension, and I thought it's normal for such a little runner (and it never gotten worse, at least not noticeably)
All the more, I got erroneously told, that absorbers go when they start bouncing.
Then again in February 2013 another mechanic said to check them/replace them, but then his boss said - "Let him drive, when liquid completely gets out, his suspension will start bouncing" - so we put this under the carpet...
That same mechanic did a test drive recently to experience the "pulling" in his own hands - he confirmed and did not mention any oddities for absorbers being gone (we did go over some potholes), so I will research on how to do a proper test on that one
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:30 pm |
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If one of your shocks is leaking fluid and the other isn't then they work differently, especially when accelerating or braking. They may sit at the same height when stood still but when you put load through them it's a different story.
If you bounce the suspension hard on each wing does one side feel stiffer than the other? Any difference you notice there will be multiplied on the road.
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 6:58 pm |
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| kandlbarrett wrote: |
| The amount that the 4 wheel centre corrected is huge! Was that made that bad by hitting something or was it made that bad by the 2 wheel centre? |
I went through 2wheel centre on Saturday after replacing wishbones. They said alignment was out, and they adjusted the front spot on.
The Monday after (two days later!) I went to 4wheel centre. No bumps/curbs/stones hit the car in between the two days (mostly stationary anyway)
I thought that 4wheel align is totaly different maths, and to have all 4 aligned spot-on, front was supposed to be moved even more, or smthng
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| If you bounce the suspension hard on each wing does one side feel stiffer than the other? |
Cheers mate, I'll check that straight tomorrow morning
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