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 Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:11 am |
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Take the car to a qualified electrician, explain the problems in detail and get the codes read from the engine computer (ECU) with diagnostic equipment.
As you say, the vehicle is critical for your work and they are actually very reliable and nice to drive cars 206.
The issue you describe is not easy to track-down and fix through here and you can end-up spending more time and money than simply going to a decent garage who will do the work. It could actually be something really-really simple/cheap once you find-out.
Connector on it's way tomorrow. |
Thank you, I am very grateful |
No problem Kay.
It will take seconds to fit and will be one less thing to elliminate as possible cause.
Is the starter-motor actualy turning when you try to turn the key or is that when you get just the clicking and nothing happens?
In any case it will need to be looked at by someone with gear by the sounds of it but it shouldn't break the bank. |
I hear what I presume is the starter motor turning, like a dry sound
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:15 am |
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Does the starter motor sound different when it actually does finaly start the car?
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| 1.4i, 2001, 3-door, China Blue
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:19 am |
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| Does the starter motor sound different when it actually does finaly start the car? |
when is does start, it sounds like its coughing and spluttering which i presume was the unspent fuel
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:20 am |
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it then needs a good rev or it dies immediately, then once it is going it is fine again until I stop, purposely, then it won't start again. Still starts perfectly first use (thank goodness!)
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Last edited by NurseyKay on Tue May 21, 2013 8:22 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:21 am |
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| NurseyKay wrote: |
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| Does the starter motor sound different when it actually does finaly start the car? |
when is does start, it sounds like its coughing and spluttering which i presume was the unspent fuel |
Yes, this sounds like a flooded engine to me so we're back to the begining.
What's the idle RPM when it's up and running?
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:23 am |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| NurseyKay wrote: |
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| Does the starter motor sound different when it actually does finaly start the car? |
when is does start, it sounds like its coughing and spluttering which i presume was the unspent fuel |
Yes, this sounds like a flooded engine to me so we're back to the begining.
What's the idle RPM when it's up and running? |
about 1000-1200, I did think it smelt a bit rich, when the bonnet is lifted, but I really don't know what I am talking about!
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:25 am |
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Maybe someone also in that area, knows good garages they use can reccomend to her, so shes not going to be ripped off, if it comes to that point, and put her mind at ease.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:26 am |
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| DREWDEN wrote: |
| Maybe someone also in that area, knows good garages they use can reccomend to her, so shes not going to be ripped off, if it comes to that point, and put her mind at ease. |
The one I did go to, was one from the "good garage scheme" thinking it would be good for that reason!
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:41 am |
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| Maybe someone also in that area, knows good garages they use can reccomend to her, so shes not going to be ripped off, if it comes to that point, and put her mind at ease. |
I can't see why everybody keeps going-on about this that she's going to get ripped-off and so and on.
It's a bit of an underestimation from what I reed on this thread so far.
So many people go to garages some are good some are s**te.
That's the way it is with everything. If you are not happy with the work they do or what they charge, explain everything to the next people you go.
Personaly I would take it straight back to the same garage and say: Nope, problem not solved with what you did - it now won't even start which is obviously even worse for my line of work.
I can't see why you should be hanging on threads so to speak to try and sort a problem like this yourself, which again requires gear to do properly as I said.
Just my 2 cents..
In other news, 1000-1200 RPM (if you are sure about this) is too high when engine has warmed. Possibly ICV (Idle Control Valve) could be up the spout and clicking coming from there.
Again, it would need a garage to sort this and be able to tell for sure.
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:54 am |
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| V9977 wrote: |
In other news, 1000-1200 RPM (if you are sure about this) is too high when engine has warmed. Possibly ICV (Idle Control Valve) could be up the spout and clicking coming from there.
Again, it would need a garage to sort this and be able to tell for sure. |
If the ICV has stuck in one position, then the ECU will be getting the wrong information when trying to start the car from warm which could be what's causing your problem.
Have you also noticed an increase in fuel consumption since the problem started?
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:56 am |
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Once the engine is up to running temp then the idle speed should be around 850 rpm unless the aircon is running as it will rise slightly due to engine load.
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 6:04 am |
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| macca1411 wrote: |
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In other news, 1000-1200 RPM (if you are sure about this) is too high when engine has warmed. Possibly ICV (Idle Control Valve) could be up the spout and clicking coming from there.
Again, it would need a garage to sort this and be able to tell for sure. |
If the ICV has stuck in one position, then the ECU will be getting the wrong information when trying to start the car from warm which could be what's causing your problem.
Have you also noticed an increase in fuel consumption since the problem started? |
Its certainly not cheap to run, but I don't have much to compare it with as I have had the car for about 2 months and this saga has been going on for more than half of that
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 2:52 pm |
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I will tell you what id try...next time you fill up add some engine cleaner/fuel system cleaner/power boost fuel additive...
If you goto your local car parts shop and explain you want the best fuel additive to give the engine and fuel system a good clean they should point you in the right direction...
Just follow the instructions on the bottle and it will take a full tank of fuel but its worth a try and the additive should be under a tenner easily
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REDEX is a popular brand of additive.
NOX is also popular.
WYNNS aswell....
All brands sell different variations so you could be spoilt for choice so ask the staff.
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:09 pm |
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I believe that your problem is the simplest one,you need to replace the Starter Motor,next time you have this problem,try to have the car parked up a hill,then put it in second gear,and turn ignition on,and let the car move few meters down with your foot on clutch pedal,and then take it off,and if the car starts then you will be sure it's Starter Motor. (But be careful while doing this,and do it on your own responsibility)
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:30 pm |
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| Timon2210 wrote: |
| I believe that your problem is the simplest one,you need to replace the Starter Motor,next time you have this problem,try to have the car parked up a hill,then put it in second gear,and turn ignition on,and let the car move few meters down with your foot on clutch pedal,and then take it off,and if the car starts then you will be sure it's Starter Motor. (But be careful while doing this,and do it on your own responsibility) |
Thank you for this, I have tried a start like this but didn't know about being in second. This is relatively easy to do as one of my regular visits at the moment is on a hill...
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