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gpvecchi

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:10 pm

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There's a problem I can't solve with my RC (GTI 180).
Sometimes steering is soft and perfect, sometimes it becomes hard to pull and when turning (both slowly both fastly) it judders a lot!
Lower arms and all other joints were changed; I assume it is something related to steering pump (it has been changed 5 years ago because of a leakage) but I can't understand why sometimes is good and sometimes is not.
Help, please!


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LeeThr

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:14 pm

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When it becomes hard to pull, is it when you pull the wheel hard and fast?

gogs_macaulay wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's

Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

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I must be mad.....

gpvecchi

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 2:21 pm

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In particular, but even if turn slowly in a crossroad. Even if I stay still and I turn from one side to the other.


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Schumi

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:22 pm

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As you know that 206 RC have variable steering assistance. Steering will going harder after 4500 rpm and go slower again when rpm goes below 4000. I dont know exactly how is this working (i think its in inside pump) but maybe your problem is related with that one. I know our steering pump is simple mechanic one instead of electric pas pump but maybe your problem source is pump.


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gpvecchi

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:28 pm

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Thanks, usually pump problem are not intermitting. I think that it could be something related to steering rack that creates overpressure on the steering pipes and make the valve discharge it.


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V9977

Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 6:15 pm

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gpvecchi wrote:

Thanks, usually pump problem are not intermitting. I think that it could be something related to steering rack that creates overpressure on the steering pipes and make the valve discharge it.

If outside / ambient temp seems to make a difference as well, could be the steering valve in the rack in which case it's replacement rack time.

However, Schumi has a point with the pump if it's variable.


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gpvecchi

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:09 pm

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Update: I was still in neutral without brakes; I steered from center to left with A LOT of juddering; then I steered from full left to full right without juddering. Then from full right to full left: no juddering at all... I'm mad about this thing!


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Edward

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:18 pm

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Maybe one way round it is to fit a shorter belt bypassing the PAS pump. If the dodgy steering still continues with no power assistance then you know it's not a mechanical problem with the rack. It narrows it down slightly to a hydraulic problem.
There's a pressure sensor on the steering pipes. Does Planet Peugeot do more in depth scanning than a normal fault code reader? It might be able to see any surges in pressure.


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gpvecchi

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:48 pm

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Good idea, thanks! BTW, no P codes with PPS2000...


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V9977

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:33 pm

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Edward wrote:

Yes it does.

Real time data.


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V9977

Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:34 pm

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gpvecchi wrote:

Update: I was still in neutral without brakes; I steered from center to left with A LOT of juddering; then I steered from full left to full right without juddering.
Then from full right to full left: no juddering at all... I'm mad about this thing!

Either your pump is shaged, or V-belt slipping big style.
Simple.


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