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 Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:13 am |
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Hello everyone, i recently ( 3 days ago ) purchased what is my first car and so far i have had nothing but problems so lets start from the beginning.
I purchased a peugeot 206 1.4 diesel HDI second hand. My brother came to see the vehicle with me and what he saw he was very pleased with especially for the price. I drove it home and had no problems.
First thing the next morning myself and my girfriend went to fill up in my new car and after having filled up by roughly £40 I had a swimming pool of diesel under my car. I was not happy. After several garages telling me what they thought was wrong I bought a seal and screw top thing for the top of the fuel tank as after having it inspected by a mechanic at a peugeot garage it was split all the way through and held together with silicone and the big seal that fits inside it was covered in sealant.
So i took the vehicle to the garage down the road - next door to my brother and is very good- he took the fuel tank out and tightened the top back on completely so no more leaks occured. At the same time i decided to kill several birds with one stone so I had the cam belt changed as i had one given to me by the previous owner of the car ( new and sealed in the packaging ) and had the oil changed.
He also changed an o ring in what i think is called the resonator as it has some sort of black mist albeit a very very small barely noticable amount coming from it.
Everything worked perfectly until I was roughly half way to my girfriends house which is no more than 9 miles away down the duel carriageway. I hit 65MPH and went to overtake someone and nothing. Foot was flat to the floor and i was decreasing in speed. I changed down a gear and the revs went up slightly and still no power. We stopped at a layby on the duel carrigeway and i phoned my brother who said it was possibly just the ECU resetting itself due to havingwork done and to let it cool down and take it out later. So i went out for dinner and got back in the car maybe 4-5 hours later.
Same as before, i got 3-4 miles into the journey and nothing. Foot flat to the floor and no power at all. I was barely pulling away in first and second and it was literally just coasting in 3 4 and 5.
I phoned the AA out to come and take a look at it once we got it home and the mechanic thought that it may have been fuel starvation of the engine and to take it back to the garage which i did next morning as i was towed back by the AA.
Once back in the garage the mechanics rechecked the cambelt had been fitted correctly of which it had, proceeded to scratch heads (Literally) and phoned me roughly 2 hours after I had left after spending all morning there saying the turbo was knackered and I needed an entirely new turbo.
During all of this I have had NO warning lights what so ever and several people tell me what they think it could be.
A dirty oxygen sensor
Fuel starvation
Clutch needs replacing
Also the fuel station i filled up at (Shell) is apparently the worst diesel to use. This was off BAA.reman.com
I really am at a bit of a loss. It is my first car and i dont know the exhaust from the engine. I appreciate it is extremely hard to be able to tell over the internet but I really am hoping someone can.
I really appreciate any help that can be given.
Thanks
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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:33 pm |
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Joined: May 25, 2011
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as you say its very hard to pinpoint over the net but i would be looking into the fuel side of things it does sound like its not getting enough from the tank, maybe when the garage had it all apart thay have pinched a pipe or something.
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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:35 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: UK
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A dead turbo will give you no power. Did you buy privately, or from a dealer?
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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:01 pm |
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Well i bought privately but before the work was carried out there was no probem with the turbo. Can it really just die that quickly?
I did have a thought that if the fuel tank was drained the fuel in the pipes leading to the engine would rn back down into the tank and not get back into the piipes when it was refiled and would need to be hand pumped back through. Would that be a possibility or am i just thinking to far out of the box?
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:17 am |
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Joined: May 25, 2011
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if it runs ok for a few miles then there is fuel in the system, but if the line has a small partial blockage in it then once the fuel in the lines and filter drain down/used up it will slowly die.
then if the car is left on low revs IE: not useing much fuel they may refill and then be ok untill again all the fuel is run down/used.
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:49 am |
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Joined: Mar 13, 2012
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Location: Spalding lincolnshire
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:03 pm |
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Joined: Jun 04, 2013
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Location: milton keynes
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if as you say the tank seal and top pipe was full of sealant it is possible that when you fixed this the lift pump in the tank or fuel lines got blocked partly
does sound like fuel starvation to me if your gauges are all reading correctly or fuel regulator is fault
if the turbo is dead you would burn oil surely
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:10 pm |
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Joined: Aug 14, 2011
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Location: Finland
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First thing would be to read the fault codes. Turbo wont give you any, but you can check shaft play by removing the intake pipe, sticking your finger inside and giving the axle a wiggle. If it moves side to side, its knackered, if it rattles when you spin it or dont spin with ease, it's knackered. Next would be to remove the MAF sensor cable, if it's still not giving power the MAF is good. You may want to remove the cat converter and check the particle filter isn't blocked. If it goes loose, it can turn sideways and block the whole exhaust. After that, you need Lexia interface and Peugeot planet to read live data, first check the fuel rail pressure and if it's good, the injectors.
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:50 am |
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Joined: Feb 12, 2010
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Location: Leeds, UK
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I agree with TelaKeppi as it does sound more like a fuel starvation problem due to the lack of power.
I have the exact same car, on an 02.
They don't have a low pressure pump inside the fuel tank like a lot of HDi engines do as it's only a 1.4.
There is a small filter built into the fuel gauge sender unit that may have become blocked, especially as you said it was sealed with silicone.
Remove the sender unit and you will see the filter on the bottom if it.
It has two parts - the plastic mesh with larger holes then a finer filter to stop it sucking in dirt through the fuel system.
Clean both of these.
The sender unit is very easy to remove and you just unscrew the large plastic nut that holds that seal in you had replaced then lift it out.
Also try changing the fuel filter in the engine bay.
This is easy to do as well and will starve the engine of fuel if it is blocked.
It is a sealed unit that you can't actually get into to see if it's blocked so will need replacing to eliminate it.
I paid £25 for mine.
Andy
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