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Maybury180

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:02 am

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Hi guys, Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the gearboxes for the 138 and 180 as looks like my 180's gearbox might of had it so just wondered if there is a difference when i come to buy a replacement. Thanks. Adam

Addaz

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:32 am

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I will check later but apart from ratios I dont think there is much difference. If you want it rebuilt I can do it for £125 posted back to you plus parts


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Maybury180

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:47 am

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Thanks Addaz if you can let me know the difference or i might look at having it rebuilt if there is any real difference.

LeeThr

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:50 am

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Pretty sure it is just the ratio's, I know the 180 run's a longer 1st gear than the 138 did. not sure if 5th or the final drive is different either.

gogs_macaulay wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's

Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

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Maybury180

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:01 am

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Location: Middlesbrough

Thanks Lee just want to know if it will affect the cars performance, i assume if 1st is a shorter ratio it'll obviously get through 1st quicker but assume top end will be no different not that the car ever goes that quick anyway lol

DanT

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:33 am

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Ratios, and its been a long time since i looked at a 138 but i think they are linkage operated and the 180s are cable.


	My 2004 Aegean Blue GTi 180 Progress Thread

LeeThr

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:39 am

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DanT wrote:

Ratios, and its been a long time since i looked at a 138 but i think they are linkage operated and the 180s are cable.

The linkages can be swapped over quite easily.

gogs_macaulay wrote:

LeeThr wrote:

One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's

Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

DanT

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:45 am

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Location: Torbay, England

LeeThr wrote:

DanT wrote:

Ratios, and its been a long time since i looked at a 138 but i think they are linkage operated and the 180s are cable.

The linkages can be swapped over quite easily.

Many things can be swapped over easily on these cars but the op was asking the differences between them.


	My 2004 Aegean Blue GTi 180 Progress Thread

imjeeves

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:52 am

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Location: Glasgow / Welling

The differences are the the first + second gear and the final drive. It has a taller first gear i.e you can go longer in first before changing to second. It has a larger final drive so that means all your gear ratios are lower than the gti to give it faster accelleration. Flip side is a lower maximum speed.

The linkages are also different due to the 180 being cable operated and the GTI being rods. It is not a simple swap unless you want to take your gearbox apart to change the linkage around??

I have just done all this so know whats involved


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Maybury180

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:37 am

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Location: Middlesbrough

Thanks, am i reading this right then that a 138 box would accelerate quicker due to the shorter ratio's but the top speed of my 180 would be reduced to that of the 138? Thanks.

Addaz

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:50 am

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No, the 180 box has a shorter final drive at 3.94 compared to the gti at 3.78. Meaning if you fitted a gti box it would have less acceleration but more top speed


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Maybury180

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:26 am

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Thanks for clearing that up Addaz maybe its best to stick with the 180 box then. Is it worth having mine reconditioned or buying a second hand 180 gearbox? Thanks guys.

DanT

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:44 am

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Location: Torbay, England

Maybury180 wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up Addaz maybe its best to stick with the 180 box then.

Is it worth having mine reconditioned or buying a second hand 180 gearbox?

Thanks guys.

Unless you're buying the second hand box from somewhere you know the history of it, i'd just get it reconditioned by a reputable place, otherwise the same thing could happen again.


	My 2004 Aegean Blue GTi 180 Progress Thread

Maybury180

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:14 am

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Thanks Dan, there is a couple of local gearbox specialists in the area, gonna check them both out and see what they think and what the cost is gonna be locally.

Addaz

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:31 am

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Or there is me I work for Peugeot main dealers and rebuild boxes regularly so the choice is yours


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