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 Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:23 am |
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Hey guys I've been looking for reference material online for a while now with no luck really!!!
I'm looking for the gearbox on a 405 MI16 fitting a 206 GTI 180/RC engine block.
All the pictures google has showed seem as if they are exactly the same mounting points and the gearbox mount and bushes seem the same to.
Is this me or is it coincidence? I've emailed Spoox but no reply yet, they probably haven't finished laughing yet haha 
Any Ideas guys would be cool 
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:57 am |
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So i got a reply from Spoox and they say that the gearbox will match up exactly and will work front wheel drive! I just have to weld and install the rear end and do some tunnel work for the rear
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:24 pm |
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Can a crank sensor be fitted the to mi-16 gearbox?
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:07 pm |
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Any particular reason for doing so?
The MI-16 is just an XU10 lump, similar to the GTi-6, but depending on the year will either be a BE1 or BE3 box, either way more than likely to be on a cable clutch set up where as the 180 runs a hydraulic set up.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:03 pm |
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I can swap all your internals from one box to other at a cost.
Or even fit the 180 bellhousing to your 405 mid casing
Meaning you would require no hacking about and have whatever is special in your gearbox into another.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:05 pm |
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Im just stabbing at the dark here but by the sounds of it he may be using the chocolate peugeot 4wd system found in some 405's
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| Team Impossible Possible
The only way of finding the limits of the possible is by going beyond them into the impossible - Arthur C. Clarke
Forged 1.6 Turbo
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144Bhp @ 7PSi - 193.9Bhp @ 13psi
206 Gti Race Car
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For all Race/Track Preparation, Feel Free to PM Me!
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:10 pm |
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| Addaz wrote: |
| Im just stabbing at the dark here but by the sounds of it he may be using the chocolate peugeot 4wd system found in some 405's |
Oh dear, the mk1 MI-16X4 transmission That has some nasty electrical gremlins if I remember rightly, that will be a BE1 box if my memory does work haha.
Could be interesting for the 5 minuites it works
Speaking of swapping box's around I may have some work for you at some point in the non too distant future as well.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:11 pm |
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would that be the KitKat one
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:19 pm |
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| macj wrote: |
| would that be the KitKat one |
Pretty much
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:22 pm |
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NOTE to OP
I like the way your thinking.... but I wouldn't do it if you are going to stick any amps thru it
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:28 pm |
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What system did they use on the wrc car? That was an EW10 lump wasn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Just thinking about it, where did they get the space from for the transfer box, on the 180 especially I cant think how you'd get the box and the exhaust in there.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:32 pm |
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What are the issues with the electrics on the 4 wheel drive system, also are there any other issues/weakness'. I didn't know they did a 4 wheel drive system. How good would a 4 wheel drive 206 Gti be! By the sounds of things it would be a bad idea though wih using this system
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| 1999 206 Gt... Gti180 inlet, Gti180 exhaust manifold, Gti180 injectors, Gti-6 throttle body, Custom Adapter pipe to mate the throttle body to intake, Gti180 alternator, Gti-6 ICV, Straight through stainless exhaust system, cat cams (apparently), Avo coilovers, short shift gear stick, stripped out with fixed back bucket seat and harness, flocked dash, momo steering wheel and D2 solid boss, real carbon cold air intake, Gti-6 front calipers and 288mm disks, rear drilled and grooved disks, morette headlights, sp bonnet grill 71,456 miles
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:32 pm |
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The 206 WRC didn't use an EW10 engine.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:36 pm |
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206 wrc Engine
Cast aluminum block and head construction, front transversally mounted XU9J4 base type.
1997.5 cm3 , water cooled turbo charged. Bore: 85mm, stroke: 88mm. Compression ratio 8.5:1 2 OHC belt driven and hydraulic tappets. 4 valves per cylinder. Oil cooler and carbon oil casing
Engine output: 300Bhp @ 5250rpm. Engine torque: 635Nm @ 4000rpm. Garrett/Allied Signal TR30R turbo charger and Magneti-Marelli Step 9 engine management.
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| 1999 206 Gt... Gti180 inlet, Gti180 exhaust manifold, Gti180 injectors, Gti-6 throttle body, Custom Adapter pipe to mate the throttle body to intake, Gti180 alternator, Gti-6 ICV, Straight through stainless exhaust system, cat cams (apparently), Avo coilovers, short shift gear stick, stripped out with fixed back bucket seat and harness, flocked dash, momo steering wheel and D2 solid boss, real carbon cold air intake, Gti-6 front calipers and 288mm disks, rear drilled and grooved disks, morette headlights, sp bonnet grill 71,456 miles
2008 Audi A3 2.0 Tdi 170 | |
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:38 pm |
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My bad, I stand corrected, so the wrc car was the early mi-16 lump then.
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