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 Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:11 am |
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Joined: Jul 20, 2012
Posts: 460
Trade Rating: +3
Location: Shrewsbury
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Wise words from Edward. They are pig to get my wishbones in the subframe with the polybushes in.
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Last edited by PezHdi on Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:07 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:31 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
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Location: In the garage
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Otherwise the wishbones are angled down to clear the hub when sliding them into the subframe. That means the bushes get jammed on the way in. There must be about 0.00001 mm clearance between bush and subframe.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:38 pm |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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Thanks! Edward, are the Group A wishbones polybushed as they are?
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:43 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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No. They have two metal bearings/bushes instead of the normal one rubber and one metal bush that's fitted to GTi/ XSI/CC models.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:01 am |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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Have now got Wishbones and 180 driveshafts. I ordered Lemforder ones but they messaged me to say they only have Moog in stock and have offered a 3 year warranty. Have also ordered a full set of Polybushes which should arrive next week. Also I need to make time to pick up my new Subfame bolts from the dealers.
I'm pretty sure I will need 180 hubs also.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:01 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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180, 138 and DW10 hubs are all the same. Basically anything that uses a BE4 gearbox uses the same hubs.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:18 pm |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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Thanks Edward I'll get thisordered next and hopefully should be able to fit all these "underneath parts" soon
Is there anything else I'm missing?
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:11 am |
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Joined: Jun 20, 2012
Posts: 1171
Trade Rating: +1
Location: West Country
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Gotta love the shiny subframe 
What power is your project looking to get out from that lump?
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:48 am |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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I've been told it it will be around 215hp once mapped.
I reassembled the front end a couple of weeks back, and tarted up the driveshafts and knuckles. But I am still stuck with this gearbox mount, it just isn't the right size for the BE1 box, and a 205 mount won't work either...
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:08 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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What's wrong with the mount?
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:35 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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You thought about swapping that fuel rail for one with JIC fittings?
You can connect to the standard Peugeot fuel pipe under the car.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:44 am |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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The threaded bar on the gearbox is too thick for the hole, because this is a Be1 box from a 205 it's not really meant to fit.. should I just get another gearbox?
Where can i get one of those? That sounds good.
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:49 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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I've got the mount from the old Picasso box of mine. I will measure it.
Actually the mounting stud isn't there anymore. It's 12mm anyway!
That's the end that goes into the mount on the gearbox anyway.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:10 am |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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The strange thing is it fits just fine in the standard mount that came with the car
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:19 pm |
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Joined: Mar 03, 2010
Posts: 2636
Trade Rating: +11
Location: Black Country Ay I
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Hi all.
Some developments. The GTi-6 Engine was wider than the 206 mounting points would accept, resulting in the engine sitting on the twist. The solution to this would have involved various cut and shut attempts at repositioning engine mounting points to get it to sit straight. I could have continued at high expense to get this done, only possibly to find that the electronics involved with my late model somehow preventing the older engine from working; even with an Omex.
Equation: Unsupported late model Multiplex Fly By Wire set up + Older Pre-plex Cable Body Engine + Re-welding Engine Points + After-market Management = Possible Recipe for Disaster.
I didn't want to take the car beyond the point of no return. So I bought my old 1.6 8v engine back, as it was with Cometic MLS gasket and Kent PT40 camshaft. I have purchased a Series 1 106 Rallye inlet plenum (for the second time now!) and still have the adaptor plate that my friend made for me to accept my FBW throttle body all those years ago. So next up is a "00-00" Z02 cylinder head to accept this inlet plenum to sort the top end, which I will get port and polished with three angle valve seats, and some larger model Peugeot injectors to stop it leaning out too much.
When I put the car in storage, the thrust bearing was shot, making it hard to select gears. I have today ordered a Helix upgraded thrust bearing. There is a GTi180 brake master cylinder waiting to fit, as well as various poly-bushes. My final part on order is a low 5th gear from the Citroen AX 4x4, which will drop my 70mph rpm from 3250 to 2900. Apart from this, all I need to do is source PAS pipes from an earlier model which go down the left hand side, nicely tucked away rather than going across the exhaust manifold, and I'm pretty much set to have this car back on the road.
I enjoyed meeting Stewart, Sim, and Matt at this year's Pugfest; my first in 4 years. So even though the forum is quiet, members are still socially active.
PS, Photobucket have withdrawn my images on this thread due to hotlinking, demanding a ransom of $400 to continue posting pictures in the same vein, so I give my apologies for lack of pictures here on in. Please add me on www.facebook.com/andrewxsouthall or see my blog www.detailedbyandrew.com/blog for any pictures on the car.
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