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Should I do the engine swap?
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18Sloth
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:40 am Up
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So I currently own a 1.9 diesel 206lx from 2001. It is running almost 150k miles and its so slow even compared to cars I have had before. The power for the size of the engine personally is not enough for me. I want something where I can put my foot down and reach a certain point before I start growing grey hairs. Now, while I have no delusions that downgrading to something smaller will give me more power or anything, I am seriously thinking and considering about swapping the engine out for something smaller. Reasons being that I am only 18, and my insurance rates are sky high, not to mention the tax band that the car is in (Why pay the insurance for a 1.9 engine, while I could possibly get something around the same power output from a lower sized engine). Now, my question is this, I know an engine swap is not easy. I know that it involves alot of work and fine tuning, but the way I think of it is, all the parts in my car currently fit for a 1.9 and the power (or lack of it) it gives out, wouldnt I then statistically have better parts than say a 1.1 206 would have (suspension and component wise). Or would it be a case of the cars body being simply too heavy for a smaller engine? Now obviously, I would have to tell whatever insurance company I choose, that the engine has been swapped out, again, I know this would class the car as being modified, and therefore boost up my insurance rates, but would it not be cheaper than paying for the 1.9 version? What would I have to do DVLA wise? Would I have to tell them also that the engine size in which the car was registered to, has now changed, what would be the process for that? Now, I am not by any shot a top notch mechanic, but I know my way around a car and engines, however, another problem I have so far is that I am just not familiar with Peugeot at all, this car being the only Peugeot I have ever owned. I am aware that Citroen and Peugeot share their diesel engines, (to my knowledge) specifically their 1.9 engines. After that, I honestly have no clue where to go. If I were to continue, I would just buy a donor car from a breakers, and interchange parts from that. Would I have to take the wiring loom out of the donor, and into my car? Same goes for instrument cluster, key barrel, etc.

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Sell it & buy a 2.0 HDI powered 206.
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Converting a diesel to petrol won't be easy ... you would probably need the entire petrol car! And going to 1.1 means you still have little or no power.

A 1.4Hdi would be a good swap but then you may run into the pre-plex to plex conversion issues .. electronics are completely different.

Best way? Flog the 1.9 and put the money to something newer and more suitable ...

From my research when we were buying the 1.4Hdi years ago for me (over 100 miles per day commute mainly motorway) and as a "L" plate car for the kids (three have learnt in it!), Peugeot's are NOT cheap to insure for any 18 year old! There are worse though.

Down to just the 1.4 HDi. Cayman Green 2.0i CC sold.
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It's only certain Peugeots that are not cheap for the youth to insure.

Reason being is the youth have a well proven track record of total loss claims with insurance companies for certain vehicles in the Peugeot range.

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Honestly I dont get that though, I mean, I get they mustve been cheap before 17yos went around with fart cannons and "racing" around, but its stupid how it all works imo.
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18Sloth wrote:
Honestly I dont get that though, I mean, I get they mustve been cheap before 17yos went around with fart cannons and "racing" around, but its stupid how it all works imo.

There have been far to many total loss claims over the years for 206's caused by youth so the insurance companies see them as a very high risk & load the premium accordingly.

Its not the cost of the destroyed 206 the insurance company worry about paying for, its the other vehicles damaged or road furniture destroyed by operator induced impact.

If your young & want cheaper insurance, DON'T buy a 206.

FWIW if your a very long term forum member you would remember some of the 206's on here smeared across the scenery after operator error, there have been some impressive write off's on here Laughing

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Pretty sure any insurance company would load your insurance as car is modified even if you went to the smallest 1.1 engine and reduced power output.

But as I said also converting from diesel to petrol is not sraightforward. Essentially you would pretty much have to take everything from the donor car and put it in yours ... and yes ECU, BSI, locks, suspension, mechanicals, dash and probably loom and fuel tank.

Far quicker and simpler to buy a better 1.1 litre car and use that.

Down to just the 1.4 HDi. Cayman Green 2.0i CC sold.
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onYeah I guess that makes sense, but I just hate how expensive cars are to run. Actual running costs, eg parts and fuel, arent all that bad for me personally, because I always have some amount of knowledge about whatevers wrong. But when it comes to insurance and even tax I think its totally f****d. I mean, I had a renault megane saloon. 1.9 DCi, honestly I loved it. I sold it because the insurance was almost 2G, I thought the smaller car, being the 206, would be cheaper on insurance, turns out not. Checked online and 10G is my f*****g insurance rate. And there's only 2 companies that will insure me. If thats the way that car insurers think, what small car, eg a clio, corsa, polo, be cheaper then? I mean, everyone that I know always f***s around with clios and corsas and polos. If it goes by stats about how many young people crashed their car, what small car is safe from mega high insurance rates? Honestly, I dont see why my model is so expensive lol, its so slow, Im surprised anyone can roll it or whatever lol. But yeah, any advice as to what car would be cheapest? Or certainly cheaper?
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18Sloth
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onLol how much can I lower the power output? My car only has like 70bhp. f*** me. I had 120bhp with my renault and it was cheaper. Same tax rates but a damn sight better than 10G for insurance.
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