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 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:47 am |
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Right ho peoples
Im trying to convince my parents that my car will be perfectly ok for day to day use on roads with:
165/40's on 6.5J wheels
I do occasionally push it a little on straights but i dont drive quickly due to my car being lowered around the 80mm mark, and with no suspension travel that would be quite silly
All veiws welcome
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:50 am |
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From an engineering perspective. I vote stupid.
For looks, meh, I hate 'Euro' and all that, so I would still vote stupid, but if people want that look then they're welcome to it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:52 am |
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| Seb wrote: |
From an engineering perspective. I vote stupid.
For looks, meh, I hate 'Euro' and all that, so I would still vote stupid, but if people want that look then they're welcome to it. |
I voted stupid due to the safety aspect, i'm just waiting for crashed my car tread due to loosing grip
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:52 am |
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But why?
I would like to know why they are dangerous?
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:54 am |
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I would answer that with why would you want to do it in the first place?
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:58 am |
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| Addaz wrote: |
But why?
I would like to know why they are dangerous? |
i googled it, there's plenty of people whom have done it, heres ones for intense www.performancetorque....php?t=1445
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:01 am |
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they are dangerous due to the way they are bonded to the rim its not a safely balenced tyre as a normal unstretch tyre is
also if your driving with camber think about the amount of tyre tread there is in contact with the road to a normal one?
i vote stupid on safety and practicality for every day use,
for show use i vote safe!
this is less contact :
then this :
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:03 am |
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there was also a thread on this recently about how insurance companies view it, could possibly void your insurance
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:05 am |
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Taken from that site -
will put a huge amount of stress on the sidewall area and will create a number of handling issues as
the sidewalls will not be able to deflect as they have been designed, making ride quality and particularly, cornering, very difficult and potentially very dangerous.
My (uneducated) opinion - they're not designed for stretch are they....
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:06 am |
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In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days!
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:09 am |
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| Seb wrote: |
In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days! |
the winner of post of the day is seb!
end of the day like seb said tyres are all that keep you and the big ditch away from each other.
we all moan at people who use "budget" tyres due to safety but imo for cars with stupid stretch on a daily you may aswell have the crappest budgets on that money dont buy!
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:12 am |
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Depends on the stretch...
This is quite nice and still relatively safe
This on the other hand...
Overkill much?
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:18 am |
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| Danw_VVT wrote: |
| Seb wrote: |
In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days! |
the winner of post of the day is seb!
end of the day like seb said tyres are all that keep you and the big ditch away from each other.
we all moan at people who use "budget" tyres due to safety but imo for cars with stupid stretch on a daily you may aswell have the crappest budgets on that money dont buy! |
Trust me, bedjet tyres are a hell of a lot better than eco tyres. I had some continental eco contact tyres on my alloys when I firt got them. If they were on the front they understeer, underbrake and pretty much make the car bounce when it understeers. There is no feel in them at all and when its wet and thety are on the back they make the car lift-off oversteer around every corner. I have had a few sets of budjet tyres but they feel like perelli's compared with eco tyres.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:31 am |
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As mentioned earlier, stretched Tyres are for kids & people who put what they think looks good first over safety.
P.S, are you gonna show your parents this thread?
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:33 am |
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I will be going from 205 to 165 so the stretch amount would roughly be this:
Here nor there IMO
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