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NGK Plugs- Whats the issue?
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MrBSI
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:49 am Up
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Use the SEARCH Rolling Eyes

NGK plug issues have been covered many times on here Wink

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LeeThr wrote:
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206 hates them because they are called "NGK"...lol Very Happy

I Dont get it... Is there some pun for NGK I dont know about?

I'm just kidding mate,but NGK plugs are trash when used with Pug 206 and maybe some other models too.

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the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible (for what reason do they not function properly) when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered Razz lol
Please Dont take any of my posts as written fact. They are simply my opinion and although to the best of my knowledge true, the information within them may well be incorrect.

Any work you undertake as a result of my posts is done so at your own risk Smile
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MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered Razz

Ive answered this question before on the forum:

The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.

With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.

It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!

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MrBSI wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered Razz

Ive answered this question before on the forum:

The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.

With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.

It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!

Thanks you Smile
Could they damage the coil pack at all?

 


gogs_macaulay wrote:
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One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's
Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

The garage
2003 - 206 GTi 138 - Moonstone Blue
2003 - 406 Coupé 2.2 HDi SE - Hyperion Blue
2000 - 206 2L HDi D-Turbo ECO - Cherry Red
1999 - 306 GTi-6 - Blue (haven't worked out if it's Nile or China yet)
1987 - 205 GTi 1.9 - Graphite Gray

I must be mad.....
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LeeThr wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered Razz

Ive answered this question before on the forum:

The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.

With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.

It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!

Thanks you Smile
Could they damage the coil pack at all?

Possibly.

Bouricord or Electrofil for the coil pack.

Hope you aint got the original Sagem piece of s**te on there Laughing

Any idea if your car has had the earth wire mod fitted to the coil pack connector plug?

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MrBSI wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
MrrNoName wrote:
the OPs question was to why exactly are they incompatible when they are sold as being suitable, something that no-ones answered Razz

Ive answered this question before on the forum:

The phase detection system built in to the coil pack that detects misfires is incompatible with NGK spark plugs.

With NGK plugs fitted you can end up with the HT ignition voltage instead of firing the spark plug it ends up being sent back down the wiring loom which can fry the engine ecu.

It was such a problem that PSA Peugeot / Citroen sent out a technical service bulletin to there dealer networks warning of the issue!

Thanks you Smile
Could they damage the coil pack at all?

Possibly.

Bouricord or Electrofil for the coil pack.

Hope you aint got the original Sagem piece of s**te on there Laughing

Any idea if your car has had the earth wire mod fitted to the coil pack connector plug?

Somethings tell me I think ive got the Sagem pack. No idea on the mod either.

Im just trying to think of what could be causing mine to intermintently (sp?) cut out when I put the clutch in.

 


gogs_macaulay wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's
Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

The garage
2003 - 206 GTi 138 - Moonstone Blue
2003 - 406 Coupé 2.2 HDi SE - Hyperion Blue
2000 - 206 2L HDi D-Turbo ECO - Cherry Red
1999 - 306 GTi-6 - Blue (haven't worked out if it's Nile or China yet)
1987 - 205 GTi 1.9 - Graphite Gray

I must be mad.....
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LeeThr wrote:


Somethings tell me I think ive got the Sagem pack. No idea on the mod either.


It will have the nasty word SAGEM on it somewhere if it one Wink

For the mod:

Peugeot / Citroen part number 6555 K9 Suppressor

Splice one end in to pin 4 on the connector plug, the other end needs to be earthed to the engine block.

Have a look, it might already be fitted.

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MrBSI wrote:
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Somethings tell me I think ive got the Sagem pack. No idea on the mod either.


It will have the nasty word SAGEM on it somewhere if it one Wink

For the mod:

Peugeot / Citroen part number 6555 K9 Suppressor

Splice one end in to pin 4 on the connector plug, the other end needs to be earthed to the engine block.

Have a look, it might already be fitted.

I think ive seen that word on it before, either that or im thinking of one of the 50 millions peugeot coil packs ive seen over the years.

Dont think it has the mod, litterally had the plug going into the pack with 4 wires, nothing else going anywhere. What does it do?

I would go check , but the weather says otherwise....

 


gogs_macaulay wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's
Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

The garage
2003 - 206 GTi 138 - Moonstone Blue
2003 - 406 Coupé 2.2 HDi SE - Hyperion Blue
2000 - 206 2L HDi D-Turbo ECO - Cherry Red
1999 - 306 GTi-6 - Blue (haven't worked out if it's Nile or China yet)
1987 - 205 GTi 1.9 - Graphite Gray

I must be mad.....
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LeeThr wrote:


Dont think it has the mod, litterally had the plug going into the pack with 4 wires, nothing else going anywhere. What does it do?


Smooths out any electrical spikes on the coil pack wiring.

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i believe my car has one fitted?? (well did as there is no engine in car now Laughing )

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MrBSI wrote:
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Dont think it has the mod, litterally had the plug going into the pack with 4 wires, nothing else going anywhere. What does it do?


Smooths out any electrical spikes on the coil pack wiring.

Ah right. Ill look into it. Just wanna work out, why it's so hessitent to come off idle and rev up to about 2,000 rpm. It seems to take forever to get to there but once you get there it just takes off. (Not litterally but it does rev up quicker than it did pre 2k rpm.)

 


gogs_macaulay wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
One Hundred million bazillion gatrillion pink rupee's
Shut it u stupid little f**k, what's the point in posting in all my treads being such a c***? Least I can afford a gti180, and to get the cam belt done!

So apparently everyone knows my financial situation? If I wanted a 180 I would have bought a 180 simples Smile

The garage
2003 - 206 GTi 138 - Moonstone Blue
2003 - 406 Coupé 2.2 HDi SE - Hyperion Blue
2000 - 206 2L HDi D-Turbo ECO - Cherry Red
1999 - 306 GTi-6 - Blue (haven't worked out if it's Nile or China yet)
1987 - 205 GTi 1.9 - Graphite Gray

I must be mad.....
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Don't ngk's come as standard in the 180?
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sahdra wrote:
Don't ngk's come as standard in the 180?

no

 
 

 

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No Bosch spark plugs are standard on the 180's, get Bosch Super 4's !
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