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 Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:18 am |
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Joined: Jan 21, 2011
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Location: Norfolk
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| Harry wrote: |
| Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it. |
As I work in the Chief Executive's Office of one of the largest Insurance companies I am a little anal about ensuring things are declared.
I will see what comes out of the adverts and see what then needs to be done.
Fancy a Citroen C4 1.6hdi next, however that won't be mapped!!
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| I have a 2005, 1.4hdi for everyday use & for a bit of fun a 1999 Suzuki Bandit 600 | |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:36 am |
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just don't mention is was mapped. Most buyers will think nothing of it apart from being a bit nippier that expected. You could always just turn the turbo down a bit.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:54 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Stafford
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| Andreus84 wrote: |
| Harry wrote: |
| Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it. |
As I work in the Chief Executive's Office of one of the largest Insurance companies I am a little anal about ensuring things are declared.
I will see what comes out of the adverts and see what then needs to be done.
Fancy a Citroen C4 1.6hdi next, however that won't be mapped!! |
Fair enough, it's your choice at the end of the day but in reality no one is going to find out. I know where you are coming from but nearly every vehicle I have bought has had modifications that I haven't known about and I've only found out because I pretty much take them apart.
Most people don't even touch cars, there must be so many out there that have uprated panel filters , chips , remapped etc that the buyer never knew about.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:01 am |
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Location: Norfolk
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Just as a quick update, my local peugeot got back to me and offered to remove it for £48. Bargain, and I don't have to travel!
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| I have a 2005, 1.4hdi for everyday use & for a bit of fun a 1999 Suzuki Bandit 600 | |
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:03 am |
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| Harry wrote: |
Probably going to get agro for this, oh well..
Just leave it on? If you really think it's going to put buyers off (it wouldn't put me off) just don't mention it. Remaps are undectable unless someone knows what the engine should be doing and puts it on a dyno? Like said I don't think anyones going to complain who's buying it. Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
Sounds like you are worrying or making something a hassle that doesn't have to be, I just don't see why this is an issue. |
what harry said just leave it on end of story.....
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:09 am |
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TBH I'm surprised you only got 42BHP increase. I thought Red Dot maps were guaranteed to give 1000bhp increase y0.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:35 am |
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Is it the EDC 16C3 ECU?
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:07 am |
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This thread really does show the decline in quality of people in this site. This isn't aimed at the OP in anyway. I just cannot believe that in todays day and age where uninsured drivers (which you are if you lie to your insurance company about modification as it makes your insurance void) cost us all by putting up our premiums and ruining peoples lives. Yet people will still advise people not to declare! If you cant afford to insure it dont do it simple! This is an information exchange and the information given should be accurate and should not encourage people to break the law. You wouldnt advise people to go robbing so they can afford a modification so dont advise them to not declare it in order so that they can afford to.
/Rant
To answer the OP it seems like you have got it cheaper by going to pug due to the cost in fuel but the battle with Reddot should be fairly straight forward. The advert says it is free to remove even after 14 days but they wont refund you the cost of the original remap. You relied on this as part of your decision to have a remap and to go with them. They are LEGALLY obliged to perform the service. Start using that against them and say you will consult your solicitor and get back to them... watch them change their tune then.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:54 am |
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Location: England
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Standard 69bhp Map
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:11 pm |
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| sam-c wrote: |
This thread really does show the decline in quality of people in this site. This isn't aimed at the OP in anyway. I just cannot believe that in todays day and age where uninsured drivers (which you are if you lie to your insurance company about modification as it makes your insurance void) cost us all by putting up our premiums and ruining peoples lives. Yet people will still advise people not to declare! If you cant afford to insure it dont do it simple! This is an information exchange and the information given should be accurate and should not encourage people to break the law. You wouldnt advise people to go robbing so they can afford a modification so dont advise them to not declare it in order so that they can afford to.
/Rant
To answer the OP it seems like you have got it cheaper by going to pug due to the cost in fuel but the battle with Reddot should be fairly straight forward. The advert says it is free to remove even after 14 days but they wont refund you the cost of the original remap. You relied on this as part of your decision to have a remap and to go with them. They are LEGALLY obliged to perform the service. Start using that against them and say you will consult your solicitor and get back to them... watch them change their tune then. |
If this was aimed at me, that was not what I was getting at all. What I was trying to say it basically isn't going to make a difference in what state you are selling it in - it's definately not going to come back and bite you in the ass. Please don't compare robbing to not declaring mods as well, that's just stupid.
My car had a k&n panel filter in, did the buyer say it was there? No. Hell he probably didn't even know it was there himself. I don't think it's expected of the average car owner to strip down their car and dyno it to see what's standard and what's not so they know what to declare.
Just don't loose sleep over it, I certainly wouldn't pay that much to put my car back to standard when the buyer probably won't even give a s**t.
Getting dragged off topic now and I've voiced my opinion but after all it's not my car. Whatever the OP wants to do goodluck with it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:14 pm |
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I'd just sell it as it is, and just say its seems nippy for a 1.4HDI
And if you got 42BHP from just a remap, I'll show my a**e in Burton's window
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:26 pm |
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If you dont tell a pospective buyer about a modification which will need to be declared in order to not invalidate their insurance then what sort of person does that make you? You should be as truthful as you can in your advert for the car. Its probably illegal to omit such information but even if there isnt a law which would capture it (which I highly doubt) its highly immoral to say the least
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:29 pm |
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Meh I've recently learned you never get anywhere in life been all nice and helpful. You get further by been a c*** 
Once the cash is in my hand, I could give a crap if they smashed it up pulling it off the driveway tbh
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:30 pm |
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| sam-c wrote: |
| If you dont tell a pospective buyer about a modification which will need to be declared in order to not invalidate their insurance then what sort of person does that make you? You should be as truthful as you can in your advert for the car. Its probably illegal to omit such information but even if there isnt a law which would capture it (which I highly doubt) its highly immoral to say the least |
Well I must be a s**t person then I only see remaps as a positive thing it's not like you are selling a cloned car.
There of course wouldn't be a law, like I said I would say at least 9/10 people don't even know what parts their cars are made up of let alone actually look into it.
Just have to agree to disagree on this matter really.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:32 pm |
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Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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| Harry wrote: |
Probably going to get agro for this, oh well..
Just leave it on? If you really think it's going to put buyers off (it wouldn't put me off) just don't mention it. Remaps are undectable unless someone knows what the engine should be doing and puts it on a dyno? Like said I don't think anyones going to complain who's buying it. Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
Sounds like you are worrying or making something a hassle that doesn't have to be, I just don't see why this is an issue. |
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