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 Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:45 am |
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Hi Guys,
My daughters 2005 1.1 cut out on her last night and wont re-start..
I towed her home and tried again this monring.. no change
It's weird to describe..
The engine does'not actually turn over.. e.g there is no noticable judder from the engine block.. bur the starter is whirring away and the aux belts are turning freely..
No smell of petrol either.. (pump not priming)
My fault reader .. found P1336.. Cleared this .. no change/still wont start; re-read and code has not came back..
I have disconnected the battery for a short while.. and will re-connect after this post..
any ideas
thanks
flkz
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:51 am |
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Check the cambelt
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:53 am |
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If the engine isn't turning over there must have been a catastrophic failure, something she must be aware of & would be obvious to see. More than likely, if it ain't out of fuel to be an electrical fault.
Edit- (after reading above post) cambelt would be catastrophic, lol.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:07 am |
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Yes, cambelt is gone, especially if the starter is turning over much faster and easier than normal
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:09 am |
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macj, thanks
Just removed the cover and no movement on the cam when the auxbelts are turning (ignition on)
Just spoke with my daughter,, she also tells me she could hear a whinning nose from the engine over the last week .. suspect this was the belt tensioner..
she advises that car has started with no issues (missfires inthat time) and also tells me the the car came to a smooth stop when the car cut-out.. no judder or vibration felt in the car .... I hope this means no valve damage..
What are the chances of engine damage if she stopped within seconds of the car cutting out..??
regards
flikz
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:14 am |
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You may be lucky.... but I dont think so. I suggest for the price of a belt kit you can time it back up and try it... if it is misfiring then you have damage
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:16 am |
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Thought as much..
on the phone to my local parts shop for a kit at the mo.
Done a few cambelts in my time.. none on the 1.1 206 though.. what time is involved?
Thanks
flikz
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:18 am |
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I have never done one.... I think someone on here will know
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:32 am |
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What are the chances of engine damage if she stopped within seconds of the car cutting out..??
It's an interference engine. Engine is going around at minimum 800rpm and camshaft suddenly stops. The pistons smash and bend any valves out of the way in less than a second. It's not nice
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:41 am |
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oh dear..
so need to get the head off and check for any bent valves ...
thanks guys
B.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:54 am |
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Timing belt is every 80k miles OR 5 years whichever comes first on the TU1 engine.
If the belt has snapped then its normally cheaper to throw another lump in then trying to rebuild the damaged head.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:16 am |
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so need to get the head off and check for any bent valves ...
Yes, that's the first step as you want to check for any piston damage too although usually it's only superficial as the valves dangling there are no match for a rising piston
It would only take one inlet valve (they're the softest) to be not seating properly and the exhaust gases will soon blow a hole in it so it's not really worth throwing on a new cambelt and tensioner and just hoping for the best
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