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 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:18 am |
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Could you feel the difference in the torsion bars by the way? Thinking of going from 19mm to 22mm
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:29 am |
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2bh Harry not realy as I had 180s before but hopefully with this new ARB the back end will feel much better. I mean when I did all the bars at the same time years a go I felt the difference yes but as ive done the bars then doing the ARB later haven't realy noticed yet.
But on a track car that's not doing any road use go 23mm as Edward says it's to harsh for road but tracks are smooth so will be spot on.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:28 am |
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Ah yeah good point forgot the old ones were the same
I know mate but this one is going to be my daily driver, 19mm is just too thin for track use. I've looked at the load rates further and somewhere between 20 - 21mm is probably better, after all going for 155lb springs at the front. I guess it's better to try and match them as much possible.
18mm 90lb/inch
19mm 110lb/inch
20mm 135lb/inch
21mm 165lb/inch
22mm 195lb/inch
23mm 235lb/inch
24mm 280lb/inch
25mm 330lb/inch
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:35 am |
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How have you worked out those rates? Are those wheel rates?
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:48 am |
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Figures are from Sandy Brown, yes those are at the wheel
Having said that the front is much lighter, so obviously the rear needs less spring rate
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:14 am |
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I'd go with 21 or 22 Harry if it's a stripped out track car with bucket seats,cage ect I'm sure your not to fussed about comfort lol what shocks you putting on it?
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:35 pm |
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Joined: Jun 04, 2010
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Location: northallerton
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22 is fine for day to day. you upgrading the tbs as well?
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:35 pm |
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22 is fine for day to day. you upgrading the tbs as well?
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:23 pm |
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I'm thinking 21 tbh... will have to have a drive in yours and check it out 
tbs, torsion bars?
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:29 pm |
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I already have 21mm TBs fitted, just got my hands on a 24mm ARB I was Gunna buy them bars you had but 2bh he wanted to much for them, for me any ways, I'm happy with my set up now but this new ARB will just complement it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:49 pm |
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lol when i saw them up for sale i had to reserve them lol there worh the money imo springs and dampers would cost more. there about the same as the frint set up might look into the arb later as mine aint attached atm i need to re thread it.
tbs= torsion yes. dont think your local to me:-)
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:01 pm |
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Got my end plate from pug to day for some reason when I rang up last week they told me it was £38.so i bit the bullet and rang up today to order one and they said we have 1 in stock and it's £27??? Lol so I went up on my dinner break and got it. So that's my job for the weekend get the thicker ARB fitted.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:16 pm |
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Fitted the bar today bit of a coparesent of 21mm(standard)-gti180 (22mm) ithink-24mm
I do all my car work at my parents as all my stuff is in my garage there so give it a bit of a 'test' run on the way back to my house and I could defenately feel the difference as I only had the standard 21mm fitted so 1st impressions is a good one.
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Last edited by spike_202 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:57 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:22 pm |
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Standard gti rear ARB is 21mm. GTi 180 uses a 22mm ARB.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:13 pm |
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My bad getting mixed up with Torsion bar sizes any ways it's a deffo a worth while upgrade for me
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