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 Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:49 pm |
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Joined: Jan 25, 2010
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Location: VVT Land, Fife
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Yup, my 180 torque is 151lb/ft on the same RR. Ok the 180 already has slightly more uprated cams than the 138 but not by much. Tiz a funny kink, perhaps tha'ts where you're losing the "OOMPH" you're expecting?
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:18 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Ring y0
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Very disheartening I must say seeing as I'm about to shell out for the conversion 
Maybe the cam choice was a bad one and you should have stayed with the fast road cams?
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:28 pm |
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Joined: Feb 09, 2010
Posts: 265
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Location: Mitcham
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maybe you need to 1/4mile race a gti , 180 and then a type r (not the latest 1 theyr s**te) that will put a smile on your face if you win and you should win.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:46 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: West mids
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lol at tirck remember.... 206 take over, my pug wips my mates type-R all day long hes power it way to far up the rev range and buy that time he hits it im long gone haha.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:00 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: borders, near carlisle.
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abit sad to see that you're not 100% happy with it ed. the setup does look the sex though! lol.
i'd say that those RR figures are bob on as all of the RR day's we've had at eccosse have been spot on and i've never heard of them tinkering with RR results. the operator is sound too, really nice guy. 
hope you get to the bottom of it. 
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:03 am |
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Location: Essex
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look at the wheel drag between the two charts.... one is 30 odd HP and edwards is 50HP... someone is fiddling results
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:43 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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The original print out on mine has 39bhp wheel drag! The car actually feels slower than it was at times. There is no sweet mid range torque at all and the only time it really shows benefit is really high up the rev range. I knew the power band would move further up the rev range but I did expect it to be stronger in the mid range too.
The whole experience of this conversion has been very negative and I actually regret spending the best part of £4.5k. If necessary I will share my experience and hopefully somebody will benefit and not get caught out like I did.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:35 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Under your bed
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| macj wrote: |
| look at the wheel drag between the two charts.... one is 30 odd HP and edwards is 50HP... someone is fiddling results |
I used to love rolling roads, thought it was great being able to see the power increases from what you did. Now I'd like to think I know better, and would go on exactly how the car feels, rather than some numbers on a piece of paper done by someone trying to sell you something.
If Edward says it doesn't feel as powerful as he'd expected, then perhaps it isn't 
I don't think he'd lie about it, so either there is something wrong with the actual car, or maybe throttle bodies really don't give so much oomph.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:24 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Istanbul / Turkey
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Once iam glad to see complete. But. I suggest you buy a wideband. Mount it on car. Because I didnt like your power curve. Its co crackign (i cant find true word sorry my english). You have a real gold. Your gold is standalone ecu. I think your problem is your mapping. With a standalone your power curve must be smooth.
In example. Its my friends car. C2 VTS. Stock ecu, Stock DBW. PT52 cams. Thinker gasget (for little higher compression ratio) 106gti header, filter, exhaust. But Turkey best mappers make his mapping. And the resoults.
Install a wideband. Watch when full accelerate. After this disable your stock O2 sensor and connect wideband to ecu. Go for better mapper.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:28 am |
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It's running with an Omex ECU now.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:36 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Birmingham
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Are you not tempted to take it somewhere else like RS Tuning to get a check over and a 2nd opinion?
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:46 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Bristol & Leicester
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Or go back to Ecosse and explain why your not happy? Did they warn you/tell you to expect the power band to be higher in the revs? You've spent a lot of money on your car, they should recognise that and try and accomodate you as much as possible.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:52 am |
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Location: Ring y0
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If you want a wideband sensor give Tour-de-Force (a subsidiary of RS tuning iirc) a ring, they had a huge batch in, and are selling them at £100.
Why have you changed to Omex? Is it the 600?
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:32 am |
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Thing is even I noticed the difference in my 206. I went from a 1.4 to 1.6. With ph3 cams. The power band in the mid and low range honestly felt like it was still a 1.4 but over about 3250 rpm it got a little better, truly coming in at about 4000. Now that wasn't even a lairy cam. You can't get an amazing power band with higher spec cams throughout the whole range, it's just not possible.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:07 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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I did expect a flatter low rev output but i did expect the mid range to be better than it is. It seems to pull at 6k rpm like it used to at 4k rpm. The drop at 4k rpm isn't made up for by the improvement at 6k rpm.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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