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 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:20 pm |
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| LeeThr wrote: |
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Took it out for a short run the other day, brakes are fine now too...without the airbox at 6k rpm it sounds much different to having the airbox fitted. There is a note change almost like VTEC engines give, obviously a different sound to VTEC engines but the same effect.
So I really want to drive it when it's 100% perfect...it's complete as it is but I think it could be better. So that means a Saxo/106 PAS pump, short radiator, longer trumpets, ITG sausage filter and proper Jenvey linkage...
So a few hundred quid to be spent yet. |
How come you want to change to a 106/saxo PAS pump? Whats the difference? |
those are electric pump, compare to 206 pump which is driving by belt(engine).
that should in theory free up some power
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:22 pm |
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And it feels better IMO it also allows you to mount a filter with a back plate 
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:31 pm |
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Joined: Feb 24, 2010
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Location: North West Wales
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| Seabook wrote: |
| LeeThr wrote: |
| Edward wrote: |
Took it out for a short run the other day, brakes are fine now too...without the airbox at 6k rpm it sounds much different to having the airbox fitted. There is a note change almost like VTEC engines give, obviously a different sound to VTEC engines but the same effect.
So I really want to drive it when it's 100% perfect...it's complete as it is but I think it could be better. So that means a Saxo/106 PAS pump, short radiator, longer trumpets, ITG sausage filter and proper Jenvey linkage...
So a few hundred quid to be spent yet. |
How come you want to change to a 106/saxo PAS pump? Whats the difference? |
those are electric pump, compare to 206 pump which is driving by belt(engine).
that should in theory free up some power |
Are they? I always thought with the fluid reservoir being in a similar position to the 206 they were belt driven.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:09 pm |
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The FAPTASTIC 206 also uses an electric power steering pump
Is in the front left hand corner of the engine bay.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:10 pm |
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| LeeThr wrote: |
Are they? I always thought with the fluid reservoir being in a similar position to the 206 they were belt driven. |
106 & Saxo are an electric power steering pump unit, there's 2 different types & they both go wrong a lot 
There also very easily damaged in a front on accident.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:30 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| LeeThr wrote: |
Are they? I always thought with the fluid reservoir being in a similar position to the 206 they were belt driven. |
106 & Saxo are an electric power steering pump unit, there's 2 different types & they both go wrong a lot
There also very easily damaged in a front on accident. |
How do they electric ones work? Is it basically the same as belt driven but just an electric motor turning the pump instead of the belt?
Also anything on a 106/saxo is easily damaged in a front on accident.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:55 pm |
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Yes Lee instead of a belt it's electric have a look at mine
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:05 pm |
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| LeeThr wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| LeeThr wrote: |
Are they? I always thought with the fluid reservoir being in a similar position to the 206 they were belt driven. |
106 & Saxo are an electric power steering pump unit, there's 2 different types & they both go wrong a lot
There also very easily damaged in a front on accident. |
How do they electric ones work? Is it basically the same as belt driven but just an electric motor turning the pump instead of the belt?
Also anything on a 106/saxo is easily damaged in a front on accident. |
what he said is the 106 pump is not reliable. and expensive to fix too.
compare to the belt driven one in 206 which is nearly trouble free
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:14 pm |
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Are they? No one I know with a 106 has ever had any trouble with the elec pas pump that's why I opted for it over any other. Also the hole units are only around £60-£70.
If it ever did nakker up just change the unit.Job done. It's just the mounting that's a ballake, as it requires some custom fabrication I have my pump on an original mount/bracket with rubber mounts so it doesn't shake/vibrate thru to the chassis.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:23 pm |
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Joined: Feb 24, 2010
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| Seabook wrote: |
| LeeThr wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| LeeThr wrote: |
Are they? I always thought with the fluid reservoir being in a similar position to the 206 they were belt driven. |
106 & Saxo are an electric power steering pump unit, there's 2 different types & they both go wrong a lot
There also very easily damaged in a front on accident. |
How do they electric ones work? Is it basically the same as belt driven but just an electric motor turning the pump instead of the belt?
Also anything on a 106/saxo is easily damaged in a front on accident. |
what he said is the 106 pump is not reliable. and expensive to fix too.
compare to the belt driven one in 206 which is nearly trouble free |
I know he said they were unreliable but my post was referring to the sentence after that bit
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:46 am |
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| spike_202 wrote: |
Did you ever get yours back on the rollers Paul as I know you were unsure of the authenticity of your print out.
I'm having mine redone on Monday would be interesting to compare the difference as we have pritty much the same set up bar you have 42z and I have 45z |
Naah, not been on any rollers yet. If it look at the print outs from Ecosse they just dont make sense. A standard engine running just a K&N panel filter, Longman head and the Maniflow manifold and system makes 160bhp? I just dont believe it.
Even now it's quite fast at 7k rpm but 214bhp? It's quick but doesnt feel that quick.
The lines on the graph also dont cross at 5252rpm...
I think the main different in mine is the exhaust. Roll on the winter when I get the inlet and radiator sorted. I'm simply going to ask Radtec to make a copy of the standard radiator 4 inches wider and 6" shorter. Same mounting points and inlet and outlet etc.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:48 am |
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| spike_202 wrote: |
| It's just the mounting that's a ballake, as it requires some custom fabrication I have my pump on an original mount/bracket with rubber mounts so it doesn't shake/vibrate thru to the chassis. |
I'm going to get a mount built so it attaches to the battery/engine mount...nice and strong and means the chassis rail doesnt need drilling etc. Standard airbox will be gone so there will be room for the pump.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:15 pm |
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Matt said if I want over 210 I need to go froged internals but I'd like to keep it on hydraulic lifters also but I'll look into all that at a later stage as that's the next step that's bing done.
Yep thers loads of space once the air box is gone.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:23 am |
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I think a GTi 180 bottom end would be a useful budget alternative to forged bits. Can handle over 7k rpm as standard and has oil jets cooling the pistons too. I'd just try to avoid the later cranks with no keyed crank pulley.
Might need some machining to sort the compression ratio but might be worth a look.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:54 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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hay paul question abou your exhaust rubbers,
are they stiff/solid? as i had got hold of a red ex005 i think it is? and it seems very flex and its making the back box hit my bumper now, just wandering if yours are any better?
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