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 Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:26 am |
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it may sound a daft question, but as i wouldnt be doing the work, just want to know. If im replacing the engine (as titled above) (RFN 136bhp model) with identical engine, what else needs to go with it or what would need to be done re:
ecu
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comms2000 unit etc
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:30 am |
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If you're swapping it for an identical engine, should be a straight swap I would have thought. All sensors and connections would be the same.
Might need to reset the learning parameters for the ECU, but that is a simple job with PP.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:35 am |
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why not consider going for the modified engine out of the 180. Wouldnt be too much work to get an additional 40bhp?
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:12 am |
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Parameter reset is simple enough without PP, i thought maybe the immobiliser/ecu/key/comms may need to be dabbled with or re-programmed or something. due to it being a different phsyical engine
As for the 180 engine i was considering that but im just wondering about the same thing, also would need to do gearbox with that aswell as they are a different ratio aint they?
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:26 am |
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yes they are. But for you information we will be considering breaking our 180, but will only know for sure at the end of the weekend.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:29 am |
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ok,well i doubt it going to be that soon. panic set in last night when she wouldnt turn over then ran like a bag of spanners and had no power but this morning was as normal. its not even hit 90k yet but due to timing being set up bad before think may be valve damage. getting it checked soon. rather replace before it goes in style.
also thinking new rear axle be due as geometry is way out on rear,front is perfect but get pig-ish torque-steer like behaviour.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:51 am |
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| iainlovatt wrote: |
| why not consider going for the modified engine out of the 180. Wouldnt be too much work to get an additional 40bhp? |
Are you really suggesting getting a 180 engine fitted in place of the 138 wouldn't be difficult? What about all the wiring being different and it needing the 180 ECU, FBW throttle etc etc?
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:47 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| iainlovatt wrote: |
| why not consider going for the modified engine out of the 180. Wouldnt be too much work to get an additional 40bhp? |
Are you really suggesting getting a 180 engine fitted in place of the 138 wouldn't be difficult? What about all the wiring being different and it needing the 180 ECU, FBW throttle etc etc? |
didnt think it would be that straight forward,especially because of the VVT system on them and mine is 136 so that aint present. i know you can do the 3L v6 conversion but not after uprating everything else to cope and too freont heavy. or there is the 306gti6 route, any other options that would be straight forward or just straight swap?
You know if would be any hassle with ecu/immobiliser etc edward?
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:50 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| iainlovatt wrote: |
| why not consider going for the modified engine out of the 180. Wouldnt be too much work to get an additional 40bhp? |
Are you really suggesting getting a 180 engine fitted in place of the 138 wouldn't be difficult? What about all the wiring being different and it needing the 180 ECU, FBW throttle etc etc? |
why would it be difficult if you have a donor car with all the parts that would be needed? However it was just a thought, i know for certain that when my engine goes, i would be replacing it with the 180 one.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:01 am |
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my problem is i wouldnt be going donor car route,we already have 3 cars on the drive and a van across it as we stand lol. well any info on straight swap or cost/advice on ocnversions would be appreciated so i can let my (unfortunate) friend know what is in store for him
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:18 am |
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so from a bit of reading, each of the bsi ecu and engine are coded to match for life,code is unreadable and cannot be altered once set by pegueot......so my only route will be donor car with everything by the looks of it
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:24 am |
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BSI, ECU and immo chip are all coded together and not able to be swapped around as separated as second hand parts. Nothing on the engine should be coded to only work with the ECU fitted otherwise changing a sensor would mean a trip to the dealer to pair it.
As long as the engine you're taking out is the same as the one going in, there should be no problem as the ECU map will be the same.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:31 am |
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sooooooo.......
any engine, then a complete set of bsi ecu and immobiliser? so in others words if i keep all my own system any engine should work with it? just spoke to main stealer (or tried to) and they said NONE of it interchangable but then he didnt exactly seem a master mechanic lol
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:33 pm |
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| Mr-Tigger wrote: |
sooooooo.......
any engine, then a complete set of bsi ecu and immobiliser? so in others words if i keep all my own system any engine should work with it? just spoke to main stealer (or tried to) and they said NONE of it interchangable but then he didnt exactly seem a master mechanic lol |
If the engine is the same mechanically ( eg same engine code ) then it will work fine with your original ECU / BSI & keys.
Its only the electrical bit's that are immobilised, the mechanical engine itself isn't.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:34 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| iainlovatt wrote: |
| why not consider going for the modified engine out of the 180. Wouldnt be too much work to get an additional 40bhp? |
Are you really suggesting getting a 180 engine fitted in place of the 138 wouldn't be difficult? |
No, he is just trying to sell stuff on here as usual 
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