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 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:34 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:50 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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Took it for a run today just to get some heat into it and to convince myself that it still works. A quick 15 minutes drive and then I plugged the car in to check all was well.
Did some logging today when it had warmed up. That coolant temperature gets as low as -16 degrees! That's not right after running it for so long.
The top line is engine speed, the middle lambda feedback and the bottom is coolant temperature.
Yesterday I did some brief logging from a cold start and the graph is below. It shows the coolant sensor can do what it's supposed to do. It just doesn't like the heat.. Coolant temp sensor output stays rock solid.
Plan now is to get a proper Omex temp sensor and get a new boss for the sensor welded into the thermostat housing. I want the original bleed screw back (this might mean getting a new thermostat housing) because it was there for a reason. The new sensor can then be directly wired into the Omex without using the original old Peugeot wiring that is used now.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:55 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 5575
Trade Rating: +33
Location: Moscow
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Edward... I honestly admire you.
Your engine looks immense, and even though it has it issues, you still happily (maybe) carry on.
Everytime I check this thread I always hope I see a comment saying that it is working perfectly and you are impressed with it. 
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:03 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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Well luckily I have another car to use so I can deal with this one at a leisurely pace. It's a good learning experience that's for sure. If there weren't any problems I wouldn't know about the capabilities of the Omex software etc...
I suppose like any car we become experts in them by playing with them often as a result of problems.
With everything I have done to this car it's because I wanted the best kit available. The wiring on the Tb conversion just isn't the best. It's crap to be honest and there's no surprise that it has running problems. I will be happy when everything is up to standard. For the £4k I paid for the work to be done I am not unreasonable in expecting better!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:12 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3327
Trade Rating: +9
Location: Ring y0
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Ever seen one of Sandy's looms? Very neat!
Will you be hoping to do the loom yourself or are you going to get one made up again?
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:16 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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Have you got any pictures of his looms? I know roughly what I want it to look like. I just can't decide whether to heat shrink it completely or braid it. I'm also not sure how to get a good finish where a wire leaves the main loom. I've seen some rubber-like T pieces but not sure if everybody uses them.
I'm happy to do it myself. They take ages though, even attaching a AMP Superseal connector to my TPS sensor took a few minutes. Multiply that across a whole look and there a lot of time involved.
I got rid of these connectors which just aren't suitable for a car engine bay.
and swopped them for this which can just about be seen. I also added some braiding and heat shrink to the cables.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:28 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3327
Trade Rating: +9
Location: Ring y0
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I have yes I'll dig them up!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:15 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3327
Trade Rating: +9
Location: Ring y0
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Paul do you have Facebook? If so search for "Sandy Brown Racing Engine Technology" and there are plenty of photos on there!
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:16 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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A bit more progress but not much as I've been away on holiday for a bit...
Ecosse sent me a new Semi Assembled loom with a new Omex coolant temperature sensor in order for me to create my own loom where the Omex ECU will run 100% standalone from the original Peugeot wiring.
With the wiring set up the way it is, if there is a problem with the quality of the splicing or problems with relays or the original ECU and immobiliser I'll have problems like I am experiencing. Omex have been very helpful and lent me a brand new ECU to test. With the new ECU in place the cut out problem still occurred so the problem lies elsewhere.
I've found it's possible to crack open the plugs on the original Peugeot loom to reuse them without having the splice the Omex wiring into the Peugeot wiring. This can be done with the crank sensor. More joints and splicing = more potential for unreliability.
My plan is to mount the Omex in the glovebox and have a couple of relays in there for the fuel pump etc. It should look quite neat when it's finished.
I also added my one and only sticker to the car.
A new addition to the family came today....another Peugeot. A 58 plate 207CC 1.6 GT. It's got full leather and is actually quite nice to drive. it's amazing how much scuttle shake there is with the roof down though, although it's not as noticeable as it was in a 206cc. The paint quality is terrible though. It's wafer thin on the roof and looks like they've just lacquered some primer in places!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:18 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Trade Rating: +9
Location: Ring y0
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Mrs PSO's new car?
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:27 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3327
Trade Rating: +9
Location: Ring y0
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Also have you seen Sandy's write up of the GTi he built on bodies?
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:46 pm |
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Joined: Feb 18, 2010
Posts: 4013
Trade Rating: +25
Location: Worcester
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I see the topless bug has rubbed off  
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:23 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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| Jamie wrote: |
| Also have you seen Sandy's write up of the GTi he built on bodies? |
I did. Although it's a marginally bigger capacity than mine it did make me think mine was a bit weak on torque...which I've alwaus suspected it to be. At 157lb ft mine has little more than a GTi 180.
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| I see the topless bug has rubbed off |
Perfect timing with the end of summer in sight!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:16 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 2194
Trade Rating: +2
Location: Bristol & Leicester
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Love reading your updates Edward. But all this trouble, does it ever make you wish you could take it back up there for them to sort? Or is it something they can't/won't help you with?
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:31 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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They asked for me to take the car back to them. They wouldn't collect it and I wasn't prepared to pay a few hundred £'s to get the car recovered to them when it's obvious mistakes and shortcuts were made with the wiring. My RAC cover doesn't cover home start either and I don't see why the RAC should foot the bill anyway.
The car can't even be driven 10 miles with any confidence never mind 250 miles. I just want the car sorting properly, there was no excuse for the shortcuts made when they had the car for a month and so I asked for a new loom and sensor as a settlement and I'll get the wiring sorted locally.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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