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 Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:55 am |
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So waking up after having a perfectly good car a week ago i had spongy brakes and no handbrake until it was miles in the sky, i got about changing the rear shoes, one of the pads had come off the shoe completely so i thought, this must be my problem!!
It wasnt... so ive changed both shoes on both sides and the wheel slave cylinders and the brakes still feel spongy! and the handbreak is still pointing miles in the air
I cant work out whether i have bled the brakes properly, or there's another problem  a little light on the subject would be much appreciated
lewis
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:58 am |
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How did you bleed the brakes?
Manually by pumping the pedal or did you use a pressure / suction bleeder?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:59 am |
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If the brakes have been bleed right so there is no air in the system, and the hoses are all in sound condition. Then it could be the master cylinder.
Have you adjusted the handbrake cable? [nuts under the centre console]
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:02 am |
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manually bled the system by pushing the brake! pretty sure the system has been bled properly and it feels the same as it did before the slave cylinders were all changed... so yeh sounds like the master cylinder! great....
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:04 am |
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Hope you wasnt pushing the brake pedal to full stroke, that can easily ruin a master cylinder.
Pressure bleed is the best diy method.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:06 am |
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gently pushing the brake... should have said that! how would you perform a pressure bleed, what do you need ??
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:10 am |
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| Lewis wrote: |
| how would you perform a pressure bleed, what do you need ?? |
Gunson Eezibleed.
One tip:
Tyre pressure needs to be around 10 / 12 psi, go to high & it will damage seals & could crack the bottle.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:12 am |
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did you adjust the shoes adjuster wheels out till the drums just slipped on??
if you say you have bleed all the air out this is probably your fault espacially as you say the handbrake is rubbish too
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:14 am |
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The auto adjustors should take care of the shoes if it was put back together correctly.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:18 pm |
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check the handbrake cable,and i guess that will fix the problem
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:52 pm |
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If the handbrake cable was adjusted properly, then the shoes will be pushed closer the the drum. You wont have to pull the handbrake vertical, and the brakes should (in theory) apply quicker.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:14 pm |
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had the same problem when I changed mine.. The adjusting arm had slipped off the shoe when I was putting it back on. Might be worth stripping down again to check.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:32 am |
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| Steve206 wrote: |
| If the handbrake cable was adjusted properly, then the shoes will be pushed closer the the drum. You wont have to pull the handbrake vertical, and the brakes should (in theory) apply quicker. |
The brake shoes should be adjusted correctly on the automatic adjusters BEFORE touching the handbrake cable.
Adjusting the cable to take up the slack in the rear brakes is a bodge job, then again we see plenty of those on here 
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:39 am |
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I've always found on peugeots (had quite a few, esp. 306's and 406's) that the auto adjusters never work,
What I always do, which tends to work every time, is (with the drums off) to slacken off the handbrake completely, move the auto adjusters manually and set them so that you can only just put the drum back over them. Handbrake cable can then be adjusted but it shouldnt require much if the shoes are adjusted correctly.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:01 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| Steve206 wrote: |
| If the handbrake cable was adjusted properly, then the shoes will be pushed closer the the drum. You wont have to pull the handbrake vertical, and the brakes should (in theory) apply quicker. |
The brake shoes should be adjusted correctly on the automatic adjusters BEFORE touching the handbrake cable.
Adjusting the cable to take up the slack in the rear brakes is a bodge job, then again we see plenty of those on here |
I was qouting as what Lee had asked. The handbrake cable has nothing to do with the braking, apart from when stopped. So ASSUMING he has put the brakes back together properly, then the handbrake cable would need adjusting to. Over time they do become slack/stretched.
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