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 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:50 am |
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My 1998 (s reg) 1.4 206 is sat in my local Sainsbury's carpark with a non-starting issue.
It started up and drove the mile to the shop without a single problem.
Fired up first time perfectly etc.
Now, it won't even turn over!
I can initially unlock the doors with the remote fob, get in, turn the key to stage 2 (just before starting)..
all the dash lights come on and then the normal ones turn off as expected.
Headlights work. stereo works. blower works (not tried horn).
Turn the key and then everything turns off.
Can't get the dash lights back on.
Can't lock the doors with the remote.
Central locking doesn't function when using the key in the door lock.
interior light doesn't even come on.
I have to wait a good five minutes, and then the stuff works again... until I try to start it that is.
I have done a quick test with a multimeter on the battery, and it was reading over 10v, but I wan't able to get a more precise reading, as it was too dark to read - will do that shortly
I checked for loose / damp connections, but cannot see any.
Also checked all fuses in the engine bay box (the one next to the battery box), and they all looked ok.
Please help, as I'm stupidly supposed to use this car to get to Birmingham Airport to fly out tomorrow! 
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:53 am |
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Its either:
Flat battery
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Broken earth lead.
Get 1 jump lead & go from the battery - / negative terminal & clip the other end to a bright solid metal part of the engine, now try starting it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:57 am |
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10-4 - I'll get on this now.
I'll go try the multimeter on the battery now that it's light too..
back soon with the results
(Ps: not a chance it's the dreaded BSI thingywhatsit then?)
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:03 am |
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Broken earth lead is a very common problem on the early 206's.
They can look perfect but as soon as you touch them they fall apart.
Try bypassing the earth lead first.
If it still dont start then try jumping it of another car.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:07 am |
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right - solved it lol.
whilst farting around with the jump cables, I knocked the positive cable.. which wobbled the connector.............
the stupid blood thing appears to be some sort of push-fit connector?!
anyways.. it's still loose, and can easily pop off, but after hitting it with my shoe, it was "on" enough for the car to start and for me to get it into the office carpark at least.
I didn't spot that last night, as it was dark - and I didn't think to check the actual terminal connections, as Ive had it a good four months and never had that lol.
silly me.
anyways - how the heck are you supposed to correctly attach this positive connector?
(I can get a picture of it if it makes life simpler to explain)
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:09 am |
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As a TEMP fix you can wrap the battery terminal with a small bit of tin foil to make the clamp tighter.
Those terminals are just push down as far as possible on the battery terminal & then push the clip down to lock it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:23 am |
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that's crud :/
I'm feeling an instant desire to replace said terminals with a bit of chewing gum.. I mean, it can't be any worse 
But that's for the help non-the-less - I'll be replacing said terminal clamp with a more conventional 10mm bolt clamp at the weekend.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:27 am |
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There's nothing wrong with the clamp on terminals Peugeot use.
What make of battery is fitted?
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:59 am |
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it's a peugeot one (at least, it states peugoet on the side).
Anything that's "push fit" and important never seems like a good idea to me.
I wouldn't imagine it would take much corrosion to loosen the connection enough for a bump to break contact :/
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:03 am |
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It's a good idea to have at least one battery terminal push fit so when you get an electrical short you can disconnect the battery quickly.
Then again Peugeot / Citroen stuff these days doesnt seem to BBQ itself like it did in the old days, maybe all those recalls did fix the problems 
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:11 am |
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Do not jump-start the 206 or you run the risk of frying the ECU or BSI.
Always disconect the battery first (BSI shutdown required if multiplexed) then
connect just the battery to the 'good car' and let it charge for 15-30 minutes.
Then reconect battery (BSI soft-start recomended for multiplexed) and you're off.
Still, the resultant spike when a flat battery is just slapped-on a running car
can do permanent damage with a bit of bad luck.
This is the case with most car electronics and not just the 206 so the 'good car' is at some risk too.
It can also take a long while before the fault appears from the damage.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:20 pm |
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| V9977 wrote: |
Always disconect the battery first (BSI shutdown required if multiplexed) then
connect just the battery to the 'good car' and let it charge for 15-30 minutes.
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Your f*****g joking right! 
You should NEVER connect batteries like that, you risk an explosion.
I work with batteries day in & day out & doing something as downright stupid as that is just asking for trouble!
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:38 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| V9977 wrote: |
Always disconect the battery first (BSI shutdown required if multiplexed) then
connect just the battery to the 'good car' and let it charge for 15-30 minutes.
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Your f*****g joking right!
You should NEVER connect batteries like that, you risk an explosion.
I work with batteries day in & day out & doing something as downright stupid as that is just asking for trouble! |
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:29 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| V9977 wrote: |
Always disconect the battery first (BSI shutdown required if multiplexed) then
connect just the battery to the 'good car' and let it charge for 15-30 minutes.
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Your f*****g joking right!
You should NEVER connect batteries like that, you risk an explosion.
I work with batteries day in & day out & doing something as downright stupid as that is just asking for trouble! |
How would it cause an explosion unless the terminals where connected the wrong way round, or dead-shorted?
A charged battery (in the 'good car') presents very little load to the charging circuit and alternator
so there is absolutely nothing wrong with connecting the discharged one in parallel with that.
In-fact; that is exactly what you are doing every time you jump-start a car!?
The only difference being in this case you isolate the flat car's electrics
AND you're not pulling cranking-Amps by using the starter motor whilist connected.
I won't go into what I do for a living day-in and day-out, but..
would you like me to explain exactly how and why a voltage spike is induced
when you connect a flat car battery to a charged one? (Boring right?)
Perhaps you should consider more before calling things downright stupid,
and be a lot more carefull with the advice you give to people especialy
as it seems you are not overly familliar with the pug:(clicky 1) (clicky 2) (clicky 3)
Now, where's sillyhilly? I'm sure he's around..
Alright there Q?
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:00 am |
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I see my shadow is back
Take it there are no 206 forums over in Greece you can haunt
I've got an idea, all electrical problems on the forum in future should be answered by YOU & you alone.
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