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 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:55 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
Posts: 7045
Trade Rating: +5
Location: In the garage
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I'll ask Jenvey for exactly what I need.
Anyway, fitted the Samco hoses yesterday with the new thermostat housing that DP Engineering made with the built in temp sensor boss. A new thermostat was fitted too. Looks much smarter so now I just need to wire in the connector. I've already calibrated the new sensor and ECU together. New coolant reservoir and heater hose will arrive on Wednesday.
I also decided while access was easier to remove the noise insulation from the bulkhead. Looks a bit cleaner now and it was never going to cut out much noise from this car anyway!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:35 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3666
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Location: Scotland
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Looks awesome Paul! Without a shadow of doubt, one of the cleanest and well specced 206's out there!
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| '98 Nile Blue 306 GTi 6
'04 Obsidian Black 206 GTi 138 | |
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:35 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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Got the rest of the new parts today. Got a new heater hose that leads to the coolant reservoir. I also ordered a new reservoir but the one that arrived was a slight different design to the old one so the new hose wouldn't fit it. So I got the £48 back that I paid for the reservoir. I'll re-use the original.
So put it all back together and I thought it best to not use any coolant just in case there were any leaks and it needed stripping down again...good job I did...
I didn't even get to start the engine.
The thermostat housing that DP Engineering modified actually leaks. They said the welding can distort it but they'd skim the housing to make sure it's flat. Well if they skimmed it they didn't do it very well because it leaks and that's fitted with a new gasket too.
The weld is also porous!
So question is do I send it back to DP Engineering to get fixed or do I just get it fixed locally? I'm not going to be putting Radweld into the coolant system to fix it!
So it's all stripped down again.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:51 pm |
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Joined: Mar 30, 2011
Posts: 15
Trade Rating: 0
Location: Cornwall
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I would personally get it fixed locally to save hassle/time with postage etc. But contact them with pictures and demand some sort of part refund.?
P*ss poor really.
From reading your whole thread, two of the biggest names in the peugeot modifiying scene have produced poor quality of goods/workmanship. 
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:49 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Under your bed
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That's probably because it just got too complex for them 
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:16 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Decided against sending stuff back to DP Engineering because I wanted the car together this weekend.
So I took it to a local engineering shop. So that's another £30!
To skim the thermostat housing they first had to machine the front face to make sure it would sit flat.
Why didn't DP Engineering do this when they said they would?
They also fixed the leaky weld!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:37 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3085
Trade Rating: +12
Location: Essex
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Because they were not paying attention..... seems just lately that if you give people jobs they see as simple they tend not to pay proper attention to detail.
I have found this a lot recently... point in case, the S/C bracket.... seems simple but has not yet resulted in one I would put my name too because they cant get the maths right and the pullies dont line up properly.... so they go in the bin 
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:41 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
Posts: 3666
Trade Rating: +59
Location: Scotland
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Question is Paul...will it be ready in time for a few sunny days?
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| '98 Nile Blue 306 GTi 6
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:52 pm |
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I think it just goes to show how many cowboys are in the industry. None of the work I've had done is rocket science but it's the simple things that have let it down. As Macj says it's the attention to detail that's lacking and as the saying goes - the devil is in the detail.
It will be back together this weekend. I might tax it at the beginning of May but then again I might spend the money on a proper throttle linkage instead. I'd like to get the cooling fan wired to the Omex before it goes anywhere.
So who understands relay wiring? Is the Omex fan output below a +ve or a -ve?
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:03 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Essex
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As I understand it. The ECU uses an earth return policy. You supply the live 12v to the relay and the ECU will earth it to turn it on. As with everything Paul. Double check with them first.
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Last edited by macj on Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:05 pm |
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I'm going to email Omex tomorrow. The Omex ECU triggers the earth for everything else so I'll see what it does for the fan control!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:15 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: Under your bed
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So who understands relay wiring? Is the Omex fan output below a +ve or a -ve?
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From that diagram you supply a 12V live into the relay and it gets earthed.
EDIT: I'm not sure what else you mean however, the fan is evidently earthed, as the upside down triangular lines mean an earthing point, however you are talking about the Omex output? Where is it leading to?
As I understand it, most are lives, if they are not lives, they are earthed.
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:30 pm |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: In the garage
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The Omex output goes to the relay. When the Omex triggers the relay it switches the high current feed to the fan.
I'm thinking, for now, of keeping the standard relays and using the Omex to trigger them (or one of them) rather than fit a new relay in the gloebox.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:33 am |
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Joined: Feb 24, 2010
Posts: 742
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Location: Cardiff
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I've just read this whole thread front to back and while I don't understand the majority of the technical stuff being talked about, its a cracking read.
Glad you kept the car going after all the problems/disappointment after the original conversion. Sounds like you've spent a whole lot of cash!
Anyways, your 206 is a beast!
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:35 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: Leeds
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very tidy engine bay
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