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 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:16 am |
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Hey everyone , need a bit of help my rear suspension is really soft, I know its the torsion bars on the rear, I have already put uprated shocks on the rear,this did not seem to help but this did not seem to help, is there anyway I can adjust the rear setup to get more torsion out of the bars or shall I get uprated bars thanks 
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:35 am |
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I think its the torsion bar that needs doing, I have uprated ones and its stiff as hell!
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:55 am |
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cheers buddy , i have lowered the car, but im not sure how to get the torsion bars completely out any ideas?
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:04 am |
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Check the how-to section...
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:11 am |
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You can shocks that are rock solid you really don't need uprated torsion bars for road use. Just get some stiffer shocks.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:22 am |
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| Harry wrote: |
| You can shocks that are rock solid you really don't need uprated torsion bars for road use. Just get some stiffer shocks. |
Completely and utterly incorrect. Dampers and torsion bars (springs) do different jobs and you can't increase the rate of one to make up for a shortcoming with the other.
Dampers don't reduce bodyroll, they don't decrease lift at the rear under braking. Uprated springs/torsion bars can achieve these things.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:40 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Harry wrote: |
| You can shocks that are rock solid you really don't need uprated torsion bars for road use. Just get some stiffer shocks. |
Completely and utterly incorrect. Dampers and torsion bars (springs) do different jobs and you can't increase the rate of one to make up for a shortcoming with the other.
Dampers don't reduce bodyroll, they don't decrease lift at the rear under braking. Uprated springs/torsion bars can achieve these things. |
That was completely going off the point, I'm assuming the OP wanted to use it just for road use and going mainly on the statement 'I fitted aftermarket shocks and it didn't make a difference'
If you fitted new shocks and you didn't notice the difference between them and oem I think it's logical to invest in different shocks, not go onto torsion bars.
Keeping it nice and simple, not getting into an engineering debate.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:09 am |
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Okay cheers guys what shocks do you have that are rock solid , what are they called? As I've already got uprated ones on the back and it made no difference ?
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:19 am |
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Just do the job properly and fit some GTi 180 torsion bars.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:56 am |
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or drop the rear and let it sit on the bump stop. then the rear will be rock solid hard 
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:03 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Just do the job properly and fit some GTi 180 torsion bars. |
Try for a start uprate your ARB with the GTi 180 ARB, that made a huge differece on my car.
The rear suspension became stiffer in corners, and it reduced bodyroll.
It was a big difference and very noticeable even on my old shocks.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:22 am |
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But an antil roll bar doesn't reduce vertical movement in any way.
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:19 am |
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i must say i put on some rear shocks that came with my coilovers and the rear end was defiantly harder, 
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:32 am |
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I have a brand new GTi rear ARB for sale..... £50 + postage
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:24 am |
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Joined: May 21, 2011
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Yeah I've got coilovers and have got the shocks that came with them on the back but there is hardly any difference? Where could I get the gti 180 torsion bars then?
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