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 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:20 pm |
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| Seabook wrote: |
it's all because of the driving instructor fault.
i always got told not to put into neutral but to hold the clutch down when waiting for light.
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Standard of driving instruction these days is bloody terrible.
Waiting at lights should be in neutral with handbrake on.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:23 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
it's all because of the driving instructor fault.
i always got told not to put into neutral but to hold the clutch down when waiting for light.
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Standard of driving instruction these days is bloody terrible.
Waiting at lights should be in neutral with handbrake on. |
no wonder everyone said the real driving lesson started just after you pass the test 
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:24 pm |
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| broadblaster wrote: |
| oh yes it seem to happen to all 180's at some point hence why i have gone with the LUK one,only time will tell if its gonna last any better. |
in about 2-3 years time?
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:25 pm |
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| Seabook wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
it's all because of the driving instructor fault.
i always got told not to put into neutral but to hold the clutch down when waiting for light.
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Standard of driving instruction these days is bloody terrible.
Waiting at lights should be in neutral with handbrake on. |
no wonder everyone said the real driving lesson started just after you pass the test |
we need a sticky
new driving habits to adopt
some to discard
save money in the long run
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:29 pm |
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Location: England
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Neutral and foot brake
Rarely use the hand brake
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:30 pm |
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
it's all because of the driving instructor fault.
i always got told not to put into neutral but to hold the clutch down when waiting for light.
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Standard of driving instruction these days is bloody terrible.
Waiting at lights should be in neutral with handbrake on. |
no wonder everyone said the real driving lesson started just after you pass the test |
we need a sticky
new driving habits to adopt
some to discard
save money in the long run |
sounds like a good plan, Lee probably know what to do
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:33 pm |
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| Lee wrote: |
Neutral and foot brake
Rarely use the hand brake |
I prefer the handbrake so as not to risk warping the disks sitting there on the footbrake.
Also changing down the gears when slowing down instead of the just using the footbrake to stop crap they teach as well these days.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:35 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
Neutral and foot brake
Rarely use the hand brake |
I prefer the handbrake so as not to risk warping the disks sitting there on the footbrake.
Also changing down the gears when slowing down instead of the just using the footbrake to stop crap they teach as well these days. |
that reminds me
i have a habit of using engine brake to cut the speed before i come to a stop
what am i wearing out by doing that?
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:37 pm |
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
| broadblaster wrote: |
| oh yes it seem to happen to all 180's at some point hence why i have gone with the LUK one,only time will tell if its gonna last any better. |
in about 2-3 years time? |
like too think a clutch would last more than 50k anyway lol lol.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:37 pm |
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
| Lee wrote: |
Neutral and foot brake
Rarely use the hand brake |
I prefer the handbrake so as not to risk warping the disks sitting there on the footbrake.
Also changing down the gears when slowing down instead of the just using the footbrake to stop crap they teach as well these days. |
that reminds me
i have a habit of using engine brake to cut the speed before i come to a stop
what am i wearing out by doing that? |
Nothing really, saves on brake pads & discs ( rotors for you down under lot )
Also means you should be in the correct gear should you need it 
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:40 pm |
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Location: Wiltshire
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| ghosty wrote: |
Not in a 206, but I can say in my civic coupe, the only one that lasted pass the forecourt of the garage was the sachs one, the oem one didn't even get out the door before it was spat out taking the gearbox with it. Please note it was mr clutch that did the work, so not me fitting it dodgely. Personally I would go with an uprated sporty one.
Sent via ltd edition white htc desire |
that's insane. what clutch did the car use when it came out from the factory new?
and just because it's called Mr. Clutch; that doesn't mean anything at all. |
im not sure what clutch it was, but it was from honda parts department, for that engine and year and as i was the second owner (the first being an older (60+) gent), there were no engine mods that im aware of. however this thing was damn quick (1.5 16v SOHC non-vtec (same engine as my current civic coupe)), i actually raced a bmw 320i and beat it hands down. not bad for a factory tune 105bhp (which i very much doubt).
so this is where i think all the clutch issues started, i think there was something odd with that engine, as if was right before vtec was introduced to the range, also 3 months after the range was updated the the ek/ej/em style. so i think my engine was a special of some sort, hence it destroying 7 clutchs in less than a year. the only one that lasted was the sachs, every thing else was gone inside 1000 miles, and no thats not my driving.
so yeah i would recomend sahs, they are slighly more performance than oem but not overly.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:44 pm |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
Nothing really, saves on brake pads & discs ( rotors for you down under lot )
Also means you should be in the correct gear should you need it |
i figured that i'll be saving my pads and disc but to stop or slow a moving object you need friction so when you brake you create that friction in the wheels to slow everything down but if i were to do engine brake where is the friction coming from? or am i getting my engineering here all wrong :lol:.
i've got friends who go from 5th to neutral and they brake all the way to a stop and i can feel the stopping effect isn't as great as engine brake (or maybe its in the mind) but YOU KNOW they are really wearing out the dics and pads hella fast. costly habit it seems eh?
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:47 pm |
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
Nothing really, saves on brake pads & discs ( rotors for you down under lot )
Also means you should be in the correct gear should you need it |
i figured that i'll be saving my pads and disc but to stop or slow a moving object you need friction so when you brake you create that friction in the wheels to slow everything down but if i were to do engine brake where is the friction coming from? or am i getting my engineering here all wrong :lol:.
i've got friends who go from 5th to neutral and they brake all the way to a stop and i can feel the stopping effect isn't as great as engine brake (or maybe its in the mind) but YOU KNOW they are really wearing out the dics and pads hella fast. costly habit it seems eh? |
I think its the torque of the engine that helps slow it down.
As for your friend, 5th to neutral & coasting to a stop, thats a very seriously bad habbit they need to avoid!
It also uses more petrol
Changing down the gears uses less petrol due to the way modern engine ecu's control the engine 
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:49 pm |
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:58 pm |
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
Nothing really, saves on brake pads & discs ( rotors for you down under lot )
Also means you should be in the correct gear should you need it |
i figured that i'll be saving my pads and disc but to stop or slow a moving object you need friction so when you brake you create that friction in the wheels to slow everything down but if i were to do engine brake where is the friction coming from? or am i getting my engineering here all wrong :lol:.
i've got friends who go from 5th to neutral and they brake all the way to a stop and i can feel the stopping effect isn't as great as engine brake (or maybe its in the mind) but YOU KNOW they are really wearing out the dics and pads hella fast. costly habit it seems eh? |
that's wrong way of braking and it will skid a lot easier.
in gear and brake is way better than neutral and brake.
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