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 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:26 pm |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| Brian wrote: |
| you'll have abs but no traction control (ESP) |
Traction Control isn't ESP. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:02 am |
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Location: Austria
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| LeeThr wrote: |
| Im pretty sure only the GTi 180 came with ESP. |
Mine's a 1.6 16v and has ESP 
But it's not a UK car ofcourse....
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| Brian wrote: |
| you'll have abs but no traction control (ESP) |
Traction Control isn't ESP. |
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Quoting yourself? 
Anyway, it's not traction control, but surely there is some sort of traction control in it?
If there's very little grip on the road, my ESP kicks in if i give it a tad too much throttle, thereby preventing the driving wheels to spin. That, in my eyes, is pretty much traction control.
I know ESP also does other things, but my point is that it also contains traction control, at least to a certain extent?
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:27 am |
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Your car will have ESP and traction control. As far as I know you need an electronic throttle body to have traction control on a 206 - so that's 180, later 138 GTis and the XSi too. All XSi's (I think) came with a motorised TB but that doesn't mean it has traction control.
The traction control is part of the ESP control. No point in trying to control a spin if the driver still has the ability to give it full throttle.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:48 am |
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| Edward wrote: |
Your car will have ESP and traction control. As far as I know you need an electronic throttle body to have traction control on a 206 - so that's 180, later 138 GTis and the XSi too. All XSi's (I think) came with a motorised TB but that doesn't mean it has traction control.
The traction control is part of the ESP control. No point in trying to control a spin if the driver still has the ability to give it full throttle. |
Ah, ofcourse. Thanks! That explains atleast why mine has it, since it's basically a XSi "with more stuff in it" lol.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:36 am |
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| E5GDM wrote: |
| Brian wrote: |
| you'll have abs but no traction control (ESP) |
Traction Control isn't ESP (Electronic Stability Programme). |
Oh really :S
So what is it doing when its working then?
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:52 am |
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| Mattie-RS wrote: |
| E5GDM wrote: |
| Brian wrote: |
| you'll have abs but no traction control (ESP) |
Traction Control isn't ESP (Electronic Stability Programme). |
Oh really :S
So what is it doing when its working then? |
I think they may work in the same way (affecting the throttle), but it's not the same. TC is part of the ESP, but ESP also does other things.
I think it uses some sort of stability-sensors or something (looking at the name hehe). But that's just guessing to be honest, i don't know 100% how they work.
I tested my ESP once, when i went to Sturup Raceway in Sweden. My ESP kicked in sooner than i would have expected TC to do so.
If you are going near the limit of how fast you can go around a corner, the ESP will react and cut the throttle (slowly to prevent lift-off oversteer, but fast enough to slow you down) to prevent you from reaching that limit.
In my experience, TC will kick in when you hit that limit, perhaps even first when going slightly over it and start skidding, depending on how aggresive the TC is.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:38 am |
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Joined: Jan 05, 2011
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my GTi HDi has ESP, there's a button on the right of the steering wheel, next to the passanger airbag de-activate, which is next to the electronic headlight adjuster, that turns both ESP and ASR off.
What is ASR ???
as for a 1.1 having ESP, i very much think not, as i just said look for the button that will tell you if you have it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:09 am |
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| dumdum0910 wrote: |
| what does my car have? its a 1.1 look 2003 , i did read some were that all 206 with abs have traction control is this true? |
You don't need traction control, just tell the hamsters to run slower
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:41 am |
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| Mattie-RS wrote: |
| E5GDM wrote: |
| Brian wrote: |
| you'll have abs but no traction control (ESP) |
Traction Control isn't ESP (Electronic Stability Programme). |
Oh really :S
So what is it doing when its working then? |
If you think it's the same you tell me 
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:00 am |
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Traction Control -
Cuts power to the engine to prevent wheelspin / tramping
Electronic Stability Programme -
Will cut power to the engine, and can brake individual wheels to correct / stabilise the car.
Electronic Brake Force Distribution-
Can brake individual wheels to correct / stabilise the car depending on loadings (effectively an electronic brake bias valve controlled by the ABS unit).
That's pretty much how they operate in lamens terms.
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Last edited by Ape on Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:12 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:08 am |
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ASR = traction control.
ESP = Electronic stability program.
2 different systems that do 2 different jobs BUT share the same ABS hydraulic modulator & can work together or on there own.
Ape: EBD only works on the rear axle, its just an electronic version of the old rear brake compensator load valve that unit that always rusts up & fails the mot on older 206's
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Last edited by MrBSI on Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:11 am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:10 am |
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| dumdum0910 wrote: |
| what does my car have? its a 1.1 look 2003 , i did read some were that all 206 with abs have traction control is this true? |
A 2003 Look 1.1 will only have ABS if someone ticked the option box when the car was originally ordered, it wasnt standard fitment.
No chance of traction control on a 206 TU1.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:14 am |
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| MrBSI wrote: |
Ape: EBD only works on the rear axle, its just an electronic version of the old rear brake compensator load valve that unit that always rusts up & fails the mot on older 206's |
I know bud, hence (see bold bit)...
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Electronic Brake Force Distribution-
Can brake individual wheels to correct / stabilise the car depending on loadings (effectively an electronic brake bias valve controlled by the ABS unit)
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:14 am |
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Our 206 is a late 2003 1.4HDi Look and doesn't have ABS.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:16 am |
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| Ape wrote: |
| MrBSI wrote: |
Ape: EBD only works on the rear axle, its just an electronic version of the old rear brake compensator load valve that unit that always rusts up & fails the mot on older 206's |
I know bud, hence (see bold bit)...
| Ape wrote: |
Electronic Brake Force Distribution-
Can brake individual wheels to correct / stabilise the car depending on loadings (effectively an electronic brake bias valve controlled by the ABS unit)
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Nice post edit
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