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Forums › The Car › 206 Talk › driven both a GTI138 & GTI180 ? |
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 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:06 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Must just mean the spring on the 180 throttle pedal is stronger.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:15 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: UK
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I have a 138 with motorised throttle, ive never noticed any lag, or any problems!
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:03 am |
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Joined: Feb 07, 2010
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Location: devon
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
i found somethings to be different on my 180 as compared to the 138. while some differences are expected, im experiencing differences which i thought should be quite similar with the 138.
on my 138 my 3 pedals are on the same level where as the throttle pedal on the 180 is a lot lower than the brake & clutch. to make things a little more complicated, the 180 throttle pedal have to be pressed about an inch before im actually feeding oil to the engine whereas my 138 would get oil and rev with just that slight tap. at some point i did think maybe i should get a new throttle pedal on ebay but it got me confused.
my gti180 pedal is similar to THIS, i recognize it by the big plastic piece.
whereas a new pedal on ebay look like THIS, similar to my 138's pedal. part no. matches the 180 the according to service box. so which would it be?
another thing, the stiffness of my 180's clutch is A HELL LOTS more as compared to my old 138.
138 gear movement feels very smooth like it has a well defined path for the stick to move into all 6 gears and gives that nice solid sound. 180 gear change feels mushy, still able to change into gear just fine but the feel is just totally different from the 138.
are all 180's that different when first out of the factory? or am i needing to change parts on the 180? thanks for reading  |
the throttle will feel different as is a fly by wire on th 180 as opposed to the cable throttle on a 138 it has no direct link and will feel lighter and have less travel
the clutch shouldnt really feel any different as as far as i can remember both cars use a similar box and both have hydraulic clutchs so there maybe a fault with the clutch in some way
the gear linkage will feel very different as the 180 has cables joining the gearstick to the box as opposed to using a series of rods like the 138 although i felt the 180 cable gearlinkage is a lot more refined than the other 206s's but all peugeot gearchanges feel pretty naff to be honest lol
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:04 pm |
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Joined: Apr 09, 2011
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Location: Antarctica
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| rttam wrote: |
the throttle will feel different as is a fly by wire on th 180 as opposed to the cable throttle on a 138 it has no direct link and will feel lighter and have less travel
the clutch shouldnt really feel any different as as far as i can remember both cars use a similar box and both have hydraulic clutchs so there maybe a fault with the clutch in some way
the gear linkage will feel very different as the 180 has cables joining the gearstick to the box as opposed to using a series of rods like the 138 although i felt the 180 cable gearlinkage is a lot more refined than the other 206s's but all peugeot gearchanges feel pretty naff to be honest lol |
so the throttle feels different but what about responsiveness? the 138 is very responsible whereas the 180 has to be depressed a little bit just before you get gas. is that normal for me?
but i do think my clutch needs help. are you quite certain both 138 and 180's clutch should feel the same or similarly close? i know my 180 is really really stiff whereas the 138 clutch is so light and depresses with such ease.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:09 am |
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Joined: Jan 06, 2011
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Location: Wiltshire
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The throttle on my 180 needs to be depressed a little bit before you get any response too, probably a normal thing.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:40 am |
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Joined: Apr 09, 2011
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| JE_180 wrote: |
| The throttle on my 180 needs to be depressed a little bit before you get any response too, probably a normal thing. |
oh damn
that means i gotta get used to it
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:45 am |
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Joined: Feb 10, 2010
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| bisphenol-a wrote: |
| JE_180 wrote: |
| The throttle on my 180 needs to be depressed a little bit before you get any response too, probably a normal thing. |
oh damn
that means i gotta get used to it
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Strange, my accelerator was never like this, there was no play in it before it would rev.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:07 am |
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Joined: Jan 06, 2011
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Location: Wiltshire
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When I say depress it a little bit... I really mean a little bit like 5mm
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:55 am |
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Joined: Feb 08, 2010
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Location: ZA
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I disagree about the pedal height and heal and toe. You only heal and toe while braking so having the brake pedal higher than the accelerator pedal is correct because you depress the brake which is then level with the accelerator...
looking from the side...
At rest:
Brake position.......................|
Accelerator position......................|
While heal and toeing:
Brake position..............................|
Accelerator position.......................|
Notice the brake is now inline with the accelerator.
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